Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krawczyszyn

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete ck lostsword•T•C 10:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Krawczyszyn

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To quote my prod which was removed by creator w/out comment: "No references, possible hoax." PS. The only other contribution of the creator was vandalism... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  22:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletions. --  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  22:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete A search on the Polish site returned this "Aby dowiedzieć się więcej o przeszukiwaniu Wikipedii przeczytaj instrukcję. Możesz także skorzystać z alternatywnej wyszukiwarki WikiWix. Starszych stron (artykułów) możesz spróbować poszukać przy pomocy Google. Nowe artykuły zostaną zaindeksowane w przeciągu 30-48 godzin." which means "no results found". It looks as if it would be pronounced "crotch-shin" which also suggests a hoax. Mandsford 23:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment 0 hits on internet, uncopyrighted image, delete if references not provided. I recommned to check the spelling, maybe its an archaic name of "Kozaczok" taken for example from H. Sienkiewicz? If so, provide the book title and page number. greg park avenue 14:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete likely hoax, the spelling strongly suggests Polish origin which is alluded to in the article, but southern Eastern Europe (per the article) is not historically Polish in population - folk dances are rarely imposed from without. Carlossuarez46 17:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as hoax - Poland never enjoyed sovereignty over SE Europe so the likelihood that Polish culture would have been imposed is next to nil. Additionally, unless one counts Galicia as SE Europe, the region has no substantial Polish population. I am pretty certain this is a silly hoax designed to ridicule Poles. Bigdaddy1981 17:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
You're wrong, 300 years ago Poland's southern border was the Black Sea, so it could be a Polish or Hungarian, who also use "sz" and "cz" vowels, word for anything from Arab or Turk belly dancing to Cossack or Tartar or Armenian or Moldavian or Ukrainian or Russian or Jewish any dance. No motive for hoax. It's a common family name in Poland and it must come from somewhere or something. greg park avenue 18:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Not so! Ukraine is not SE Europe. 300 years ago SE Europe was divided by Austria Hungary and Ottoman Empire - see http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/se_europe_1700.jpg , the motive for the hoax is obvious if you read "Pelvic movements are used to extend the waist and the frequent, yet powerful, gyrations demonstrate the vigour and virility of the performer." Bigdaddy1981 19:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, to play's devil advocate - for a limited time, Poland had influence and control over parts of Europe more southern then Ukraine, see Moldavian Magnate Wars. But I don't expect they are related to this hoax...-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I accept that they had influence for a time over Wallachia - I still believe this to be a hoax. Bigdaddy1981 19:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe a hoax, maybe not. It could be a new wikipedian who doesn't understand AfD from Barnstar. greg park avenue 20:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, Poland on this map provided by you has borders marked in red, however not properly named as the "Knights of St John" - probably a British name - but as you can see, we've got most of the northern coast of the Black Sea by then, regardless how Britons called it. All this land was under the Polish king residing in Cracow. Regarding that sentence about pelvis gyrations it sounds like belly dancing to me or very close. greg park avenue 19:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree, all of that area - which is mostly Ukraine now - was Polish, my contention was that this area is not properly speaking SE Europe. Which on that map is largely split between Austria Hungary and Ottomans. Maybe you are right about the thrusting being belly dancing --- but in the absence of any verifiable references it seems very likely a hoax to me. Bigdaddy1981 20:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

They are vandalism, for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Bishop%27s_Stortford_High_School&diff=142286654&oldid=141770141.

I think this strongly suggests this is a silly hoax. Bigdaddy1981 20:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

You might be right, Bigdaddy1981. My guess is that there could be a joker from that very high school in Stortford in his mid teens, whose friend sitting next to him is named Krawczyszyn, or his least liked teacher is, and the rest is all his invention. Sorry about that, but if it's so, he looks more all-English to me than you would like if that was true. But maybe I'm wrong. For the record. We've got many of such jokers here on pl-wiki which is good news. The bad news is that some of them became even administrators and run the show, while the other admins just sit back and enjoy the show. What about that? Will you still call that innocent like a newborn puppy Strotford kid, who was even almost right on the target, a vandal? greg park avenue 21:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
It's a shame, people amuse themselves with such silly stunts and damage the Wikipedia (and your right, such pranks are unfortunately fairly common in England) Bigdaddy1981 22:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
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