Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koreans in the Philippines

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep Additional sources go a long way to showing notability and verifiability. Eluchil404 08:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Koreans in the Philippines

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While I am not contesting the fact that there are Koreans in the Philippines, most of the article as it stands is not verifiable. A great deal of the article is unreferenced, and might not even be possibly reference-able. The article scope seems confused, being a mix of unverified statistics, history, religion, sociology and a little blurb about the entertainment industry. Notability may also be suspect, as there is most likely a minority of X nationality in most, if not all countries. Most of those communities do not warrant articles on Wikipedia. Shrumster 18:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment. I specifically left out Americans, Spanish and Japanese in the Philippines as these articles have potential if re-scoped to deal with their respective occupation of the country (and not just the racial mixing. Shrumster 18:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Hmmnnn....apparently, somebody started an AfD on African Filipino but didn't complete the process. Shrumster 18:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. User:210.1.89.169 removed the AfD tag for the article, which I reverted back in. I've given him a level 1 warning on his talk page. Shrumster 20:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. You're right, there is a minority of X nationality in most countries. Not all of these communities are notable and I don't see why this one is. As you say, most of the information is unverified (and possibly unverifiable, judging by my quick google search). Srose (talk) 18:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand/clean-up or Merge. It appears that this article was written with another article in mind. After reading and re-reading the said article, it appears that this article (Koreans in the Philippines) was written as a fork of the Gyopo article...that is, written after it, and can be viewed as one of a series. (Note that this article is linked within the "Other countries" discussion in Gyopo). Let's face it, Koreans have been here since Philippine colleges and universities have started accepting Korean exchange students and Korean expats (Korean restaurants now seem to be a staple in the newly-opened megamalls like the Mall of Asia). (And, like her or not, Sandara Park chose to live and work here.) All these, to me, are signs, that the presence of Koreans in the Philippines make an interesting article...just that, the article as it currently stands, needs a lot of work to make it worthy as an encyclopdic article. Hence, IMO, one of two things need to be done: either merge this article to the main Gyopo article, or rewrite this article and add more sources and references. Otherwise, we might as well nominate the Gyopo article for deletion, as well as the other (insert-your-nationality)-Korean articles (although the Japanese-Korean, Chinese-Korean and Korean-American articles appear to be well-written). --- Tito Pao 05:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. As it is though, the article makes a lot of (possibly controversial) unreferenced claims. For example, until a sociological journal or a major local newspaper takes note of a "Koreatown" in a specific place, it is simply unverifiable and is original research. I mean, one of my favorite places, Ortigas Center, IMHO is turning into a Koreatown. But until I have concrete evidence of a demographic study done by someone, it'll still be my personal observations, and not really apt for wikiality. Shrumster 08:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Surely you don’t believe that immigrants need to set up ethnic enclaves in order to warrant notability. —Lagalag 18:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Quarl (talk) 05:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and cleanup - The Korean community in the Philippines is the "largest Korean community in Southeast Asia". The information, though unverified, is verifiable (tag the article with {{unreferenced}}. At the least, merge to Gyopo rather than deleting. -- Black Falcon 07:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and add references. This article puts the number of South Koreans in the Philippines to around 46,000, and it states that they tend to form their own enclaves, with even instances of Protestant missionaries from South Korea trying to convert Roman Catholic Filipinos. Definitely a notable topic. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The nomination seems to be based on the poorly-sourced and -written nature of the article, not the subject itself. Keep the article, but source and re-write it. Dekkappai 04:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and clean-up, SlideAndSlip 22:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep With the article posted by User:HongQiGong combined with another that I just found, meets WP:V and WP:N. I have added inline citations and {{fact}} tags as appropriate. cab 06:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.