Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koorong

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus tending towards keep. bainer (talk) 10:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Koorong

POV and plain spam Casper2k3 06:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! 06:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - Alexa rank is 209,832. There's quite a few references in Google for this book chain. I'm reserving my vote for now pending further research into the company. -- Longhair 06:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - I'm with Scott here. If this were spam, competitors wouldn't be rating a mention from the same author. - Longhair 02:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as spam. If this chain merits an article, don't build it off of an advertisement. Feezo (Talk) 06:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: maybe there are problems with POV but it isn't plain spam because we're talking here about a company which has an oligopoly in the Australian Christian bookstore market. as longhair says, the alexa ranking is also quite high. Also, if you search on Google for koorong christian book you get around 26,400 results which is quite significant.Rebecca Rowland 06:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment: -- I didn't say the Alexa rank was high (by the way, low Alexa ranks are a good sign, not high ones), I merely told those interested in this debate what the actual ranking was to save them the bother of checking. - Longhair 06:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. As it is now, it is slightly spammish, but that can be fixed and I think the chain is notable enough for an article. JPD (talk) 06:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - as per comments above. I would want an independant verification of the oligopoly claim which others are using to support retention of the article.--A Y Arktos\^talk 11:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Casper2k3. -- Kjkolb 12:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per above nom. --Roisterer 13:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, a national chain of book stores would be notable, edited to make more encyclopedic. -- Paul foord 13:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and Rewrite. We really can't claim it isn't encyclopedic. RGTraynor 16:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand - Ianblair23 (talk) 04:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Humansdorpie 14:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Seems to be a notable Australian bookshop. POV is no grounds for deletion. Cnwb 06:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations): The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, or vendor) have actually considered the company, corporation, product or service notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it. Cannot find any such works. -- I@n ≡ talk 09:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Then you aren't looking very hard. Koorong is the biggest and most notable Christian bookshop chain in Australia. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
    • I guess it's better to find some examples rather than say "look harder". Googling "koorong" gives a lot of church and christian sites discussing Koorong as a resource, and book reviewers giving it as a source. I guess these don't quite meet the criteria, but do give some idea of the notability. [1] and [2] are perhaps more helpful, as would be "looking harder" in non-web publications. JPD (talk) 02:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
• Completely, 100% STRONG keep! - Ta bu shi da yu 01:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
• keep. The article can't be spam, or the same author would not have also created the article for the major direct competitor! Does anybody have access to retails statistics to show how Koorong ranks in bookselling chains in Australia (without restricting to "Christian" book shops)? --Scott Davis ^Talk 05:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable; plus my favourite pub is right across the street from the Adelaide one. michael ^talk 05:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.