Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  21:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog

A ROM hack that simply changes Sonic to Knuckles with graphic editing does NOT deserve its own article, anyone can do this. Newspaper98 20:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

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Strong oppose/Merge. Graphic editing? What are you talking about? Have you ever played this hack? It's so much more than graphics editing. Not many people know that hacking Knuckles into Sonic 1 was (and is still) considered one of the most difficult tasks ever in the Sonic community. For SEVEN YEARS, no one was able to do it, even though it was attempted. It is widely regarded as the "Holy Grail" of Sonic hacking. -- RattleMan 21:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment Are you kidding me? All you have to do is copy Knuckles graphics and colors into a Sonic 1 Rom, due to the programs that are available today, and your done, I could do this in less than an hour. If it takes 7 years to do a simple task, then you need to find a new hobby. And besides, this is technically like a fanfic, and does not deserve its own article. The end. And besides, if more popular ROM hacks like Pokemon Brown (which got deleted yesterday) and Mario Adventure (Which will probably be deleted tommorow), were hacks that people actually put time in, and they get deleted, then this deserves to get deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newspaper98 (talk • contribs)

I am not sure if I can bring other evidence into this, but this user just joined three days ago and went on an AfD spree, some regarded as bad-faith by other users that responded to them. -- RattleMan 21:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment I apologized for that already, now im only putting articles that deserve to be deleted. Im just trying to help keep this site clean of worthless articles, but now i know WHICH worthless articles to nonimate. Like this one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newspaper98 (talk • contribs)

Delete - The Holy Grail of non-notability is still not notable. BoojiBoy 21:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep or Merge into Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit). --Kuroki Mio 2006 21:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Delete - nom is a bit keen on bringing articles to AFD but this fails WP:OR. Yomangani 22:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Comment - Since the Sonic the Hedgehog 1 article already has a dedicated hacks section, I have been bold and merged the article into that. However, I will wait until consensus is reached in this AfD before taking further action such as redirection. -- RattleMan 22:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Good call (still needs references though). Suggesting relevant merges such as this is an alternative to AFD. Yomangani 23:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete and redirect as per RattleMan. ViridaeTalk 22:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Rattleman, you might like to check Somari to see if that is worth merging on the same basis (as it is also up for deletion). Yomangani 23:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete ROM hack. The question of whether hacking ROMs is easy, difficult, takes lots of time, takes no time at all, (etc.) has no bearing on whether to delete the article. Digging a ditch is long hard work, too, but it isn't something that gets in an encylopedia. Instead, we need to ask whether it's verifiable using reliable sources. Given that it has 48 unique Google hits, and quite a lot of those are unrelated phrases (example: "You may now play as Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog 3." referring to an unlockable feature in the Sonic Mega Collection), I'd say this is not notable/verifiable enough. Delete. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, it's just a ROM hack. It doesn't seem to be verifiable with reliable sources. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 00:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. RandyWang (raves/review me!) 03:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete ROM hack. RandyWang (raves/review me!) 03:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. What's the big deal here? --Hyphen5 06:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Unfortunately, ROM hacks tend to be unverifiable by their nature. The mention in the Sonic article should be sufficient. Ace of Sevens 12:02, 30 July 2006 (*UTC)
  • Merge with Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit) Although it doesn't deserve its own article it is still a notable accomplishment and should therefore have a mention on the Hacks section of the page --El cid the hero 13:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep or Merge This is a immense acomplishment. It is a full Knuckles in Sonic 1, not just graphics, and for me, it makes some levels actually clearable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Blah2 (talk • contribs)
  • Comment Ok he changed some levels, big whoop. Pokemon Brown got deleted a few days ago and every single map was changed, so changing maps obviously doesnt deserve a page.

Newspaper98 01:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

  • CommentNo levels were changed. --Blah2 13:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete in complete agreement with Andrew Lenahan. Not notable. --Stellmach 17:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep I don't see what the fuss is about. It's an intresting secret, and I think many sonic fans would be intrested. Who really cares if it's unverifiable It's just for reading and it's fairly unlikely anyone can or will attempt this. Except maybe people in the field of hacking. I didn't know this existed untill reading this article, that is why I love Wikipedia, it has the stuff few others have other than a few scatterd web-pages. People get to learn more cool secrets about their favorite mascot, just leave it, it's not like we are publishing Wiki Books for the mass patron to buy and put on their shelves. No one is going to flip out over a article about a ROM HACK Game. --ShortShadow 01:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Verifiability is one of the base principles of wikipedia. For something to be included in the encyclopedia it must be verifiable. ViridaeTalk 01:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment It is verifiable. I could give you a link... --Blah2 13:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Okay, let's see it. Ace of Sevens 13:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
    • ...a link to someplace you can download it, or a link to a reliable source? Please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources for more information on exactly what we mean by reliable sources. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NOT.--Peta 09:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NN, and WP:NOT. I also feel that the deletion of Pokemon Brown has set a precedent for deleting these kinds of articles. Thε Halo Θ 11:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.