Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/King Harold (Shrek)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Merging is not an issue for WP:AFD, this should instead be referred to WP:EDIT. The nominators rationale is also whacky... the fact that a subject is covered across several other articles is not a criteria for deletion, and does not backup the claim that the subject is not notable. As well, when the nominator has to resort to paranoia and blatant incivility including unwarranted sockpuppet request threats, her/his arguments are diminished. JERRY ^talk _contribs 04:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] King Harold (Shrek)

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This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of the plots of Shrek 2 and 3, which already covers this stuff in appropriate detail. This is therefore duplicative and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 17:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable. JuJube (talk) 22:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep this article is no different than the other characters. What is the use of attacking this article? Give it up! DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 01:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• This isn't a war, its a discussion about notability and references. Many articles have done this, like Master Chief (Halo), Jack Sparrow, and many others. I contend there are no references to how this character was created and such, that is the question, not how much someone hates the character. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

  "Non-notable character from a really bad movie." --nom's AFD entry for Merlin (Shrek). 216.37.86.10 (talk) 14:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

You've also been asked to stop copy-pasting your AFD rationales and that AFD IS NOT CLEANUP, yet you've ignored this every single time. 216.37.86.10 (talk) 14:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• Your hilarious; first of all, Shrek 3 is a really bad movie, but that is completely irrelevent to this AFD. And second, I do not copy paste my AFD rationales, that's why I don't do more of them. And third, you are wasting our time and have no argument rooted in policy for keeping this poor article, so go find something productive to do. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - Oh and by the way, 216.37.86.10, are you User:Blueanode? Cause I thought he had been blocked....perhaps I should go check on this, after all, it would be just like his usual cowardly ways of attacking people behind anonymous IP's with insults and no rational argument. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess you do make enemies fast, leading to paranoia like this. Please don't waste their time with frivolous requests. To be honest, I thought Blueanode was you after he "saw the light" and then went on a deletionist rampage with your exact same posting style. Obviously I was mistaken, but at least I did not waste their time with a checkuser request, because it was unsubstantiated. Much like your claim. If you want me blocked for saying that AFD is not cleanup, you should have the other 20 people (admins included) that have said this out of your sight as well. 216.37.86.10 (talk) 15:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Evil Spartan (talk) 06:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• Would a downsize, merge, and redirect to List of fairy tale characters in Shrek be an option? -- saberwyn 06:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge. Ignoring the lack of civility on both sides so far, I agree with Saberwyn; King Harold is essentially the Frog Prince, a classic fairytale character, as he appears in Shrek. He lacks any independent notability to support an article on his own but would fit nicely in that list article. --Ig8887 (talk) 09:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Astrotrain (talk) 13:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• Please be aware that AfD is not a vote. Your position is meaningless without an accompanying argument. --L. Pistachio (talk) 19:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete or merge The Shrek character does not have independent notability, and the article is written entirely in-universe. --L. Pistachio (talk) 19:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - major supporting character in two hit movies. Could use more reliable sources, and less original research, though. Bearian (talk) 18:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

But currently, there are no reliable sources at all, so there is no evidence of notability. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.