Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kick the Can Crew

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the nomination was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kick the Can Crew

Delete as it fails to meet the requirements of WP:MUSIC. Gay Cdn 19:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep. Did you research this before nominating it? 348,000 Google hits. The article itself states their television appearences. It needs citations, clean-up, expansion, etc., but not deletion. PT (s-s-s-s) 23:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment It is not the duty of AfD nominators to reserach notability (as the WP:LAZY attack page mistakenly implies); please see WP:MUSIC on who must document notability. Weregerbil 08:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Are you unwilling to admit that a minute's worth of research is not only a more efficient use of time, but more in the spirit of what Wikipedia is about? PT (s-s-s-s) 20:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
        •  ???? I'm not sure where you get "unwilling to admit". I'm simply reading WP:MUSIC and mentioning what it says. The uncivil name-calling article you cite is simply wrong. Please read WP:MUSIC. Weregerbil 08:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
          • I have read WP:MUSIC. Since you have, too, you should know that this group fulfills multiple criteria in the guideline. PT (s-s-s-s) 16:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Fails WP:MUSIC for lacking non-trivial third-party articles, no evidence of national tours, or charted records. My check of Google was admittedly complicated by many Japanese language hits, but the English sites were mainly catalog listings with occasional blogs. I would be willing to defer to anyone with a better translator than I have, though. Tychocat 10:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Keep. This is an obvious decision.
In Japan, the pop hits are tracked on the Oricon Charts. Kick The Can Crew's "Magic Number" album was #2 during the week of January 20, 2003. It finished the year at 16 on the Top 20 Album chart. 2003 Oricon Top 20 Albums Searching the Oricon site gets 140 hits. [1]
This is their artist page at the research/tracking part of the Oricon site: [2]. It links to the sales and charting information for their singles and albums. Most of the albums have been in the top twenty for at least a few weeks.
I think there's no question that this band meets notability requirements. Note that they have to meet only one of the criteria at WP:MUSIC, not all of them. Of the 380,000 google hits, surely one or two are non-trivial third-party media coverage.
Was this nomination made in bad faith?
-- Mikeblas 04:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, article does not assert notability per WP:MUSIC. Weregerbil 08:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I have updated the article and provide citations for notability. I am asking my fellow editors here to change their votes to keep and for the editor who nominated the article for deletion to withdraw that nomination. PT (s-s-s-s) 21:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • As requested here and on my talk page, I have reviewed the changes you have made to the article. I think it appears cleaner, but I still do not see how it meets the criteria of WP:MUSIC. The main contributor to the group won battle of the bands -- that would be notable if we were talking about an article on him. The television appearences may lead to nobility, but as it stands there are no specifics - ie what channel and in what role - and nothing is verified by any links. You asked me to comment, in my opinion nothing has changed, nobility wise, with the article so there is no change to my nomination; I will not be withdrawing it.--Gay Cdn 01:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think you looked at the link provided at the bottom, so I took an extra step and added some of its content to the article. Multiple major label album releases and hit singles, appearences on notable international television... are we done yet? PT (s-s-s-s) 03:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I've added chart information (with a cite). I have also provided a link to the band's Japanese language website, and a "see also" to the Oricon 2003 article here on Wikipedia, and fixed that article to link back to this article. (The chart article had a casing problem: "the" instead of "The".) I've also added a link to the band's page at their record label page. Their record label is Warner Group Japan, which is a major label. -- Mikeblas 05:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I wish to point all editors here to WP:CIVIL and WP:FAITH. I will tell everyone that this article was nominated in good faith. Anyone looking to question my good-faithfulness, should review the article as nominated rather then as it currently stands. I now leave it to an admin to review the article and comments and determine an appropirate course of action. --Gay Cdn 11:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I wish to point out that it is within your power as an editor and within reason for you to withdraw your nomination once the reasons for it have been refuted. PT (s-s-s-s) 16:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank you. --Gay Cdn 16:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, now documented to probably meet WP:MUSIC. Sandstein 05:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.