Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Butler (streetball player)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Mackensen (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kevin Butler (streetball player)

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A very marginal claim to notability, but probably not enough for inclusion. No references and a Google search on "Kevin Butler" and streetball gives very few hits outside Wikipedia and its mirrors. I didn't see anything that looked like a reliable source. Pekaje 22:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Pekaje, unfortunately ESPN no longer owns cityslamtv.com, which was the official ESPN site for the City Slam television show. It's now a tribute site to the show, but I managed to find a cached google page of his former bio page. I added other reference links as well, including clips of the actual television show I found on YouTube. I feel Butler is notable because he has appeared for two seasons on a television show which aired on ESPN. I would not mind this being merged or redirected into a City Slam article, if somebody would write one.--Section8pidgeon 12:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep There was a time when streetball (basketball played outside) wasn't that notable outside of local legend. Now these guys have sponsors and professional contracts and their own touring "crews" (teams) like AND1 or YPA. As with beach volleyball, streetball has its own celebrities. There probably should be a standard for what's considered notable within the streetball community, although the laissez-faire process may take care of that. Mandsford 16:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Extremely weak, anemic keep. The sources are about as poor as the come. An appearance one time on a TV show doesn't equal notability in my judgment. However it does have one source that is reliable as far as I can tell so I would let it stay.--JodyB yak, yak, yak 23:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I added some info about Butler playing in 1995 for the San Francisco Pilots of the ABA and also added the article to the American basketball players catagory.--Section8pidgeon 08:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete lack of reliable sources, the ABA is a minor league as well. Blahblahme 16:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
    • The ABA isn't a minor league. It's a basketball league in its own right, with it's own Wikipedia article.--Section8pidgeon 09:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
    • It's a minor league, all minor leagues has wikipedia articles. 131.94.145.132 04:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Since he played one or more games in an American Basketball Association team, he qualifies under the draft guideline at Wikipedia:Notabilty (sports)#Basketball, which mentions ABA specifically. If I didn't have the guideline to work from, I would just say 'Weak Keep.' EdJohnston 15:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Changed my vote to Delete because, as the IP explains below, the draft guideline is referring to the original ABA, not the new league that was created in 2000, which seems to be considered a minor league. If Kevin Butler's performance on the new ABA team attracts third-party comment, then the article might be re-created. EdJohnston 05:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
    • It talks about the ABA of the 1970s, not the current ABA 131.94.145.132 04:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Overall im seeing more grounds to kep rather than delete, there is notability and im sure more things could be found to expand it if people looked so it should stay --Childzy ¤ Talk 15:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Notability under WP:SPORTS established as per EdJohnston and other references in the article. Noroton 20:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the article from the "American basketball players" catagory, since he doesn't seem to qualify. I'm having the article stand alone under the "Street basketball players" catagory. As a street basketball, or streetball player, I feel he is notable for having appeared on ESPN City Slam for 2 seasons. To appear on television is pretty much the highest level in streetball. I am in the process of creating an article for City Slam. --Section8pidgeon 08:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.