Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Barry Cumann

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Ógra Fianna Fáil and redirect. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kevin Barry Cumann

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non notable student branch in Irish college, previous precedents set with deletions of articles on college branches of student organisations, suggest merging with Ógra Fianna Fáil Stephenh2312 13:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom with no merge needed. --Metropolitan90 04:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I would advise against using notability issues as criterion for deletion, it's too disputed. 70.101.146.27 09:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom, doesn't appear to be notable, and the long list of presidents feels like a COI. A redirect to Ogra Fianna Fail would be useful. (Radiant) 10:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • [Comments by Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC) formerly placed here have been removed as they pertained to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Finnish films instead. --Metropolitan90 21:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)]
Something gone wrong here? Do these comments belong here or in the AfD just above this one, the one on List of Finnish films? -- 131.111.8.97 02:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
You're right. I didn't see the List of Finnish films AfD on the same page of the AfD log because this entry appears in the log for both December 3 and December 6. Seeing Blofeld's comments placed in this subpage, with no entry for List of Finnish films nearby, I thought he was commenting on this particular article. I will notify him on his user talk page of what happened. --Metropolitan90 21:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep for the moment, extreme bad faith nomination by Stephenh2312 who seems to be a member of UCD's Young Fine Gael branch from his contributions. (Fine Gael are the main opposition party to Fianna Fail in Ireland.) The KBC article seems to be of good quality and has a relatively long edit list. I went to UCD myself KBC is certainly notable within the context of UCD societies. If there is a Wikipedia policy in place regarding college societies it should be linked and we should make our minds up based on that. Note: I have NEVER voted Fianna Fail in my life so I am not partisan in this, but this is a plain abuse of the AfD procedure. -- Blorg 12:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. The most relevant proposed guideline here is WP:ORG. Please assume good faith on the part of the nominator; various other political party organizations at other universities have been deleted through AfD. --Metropolitan90 15:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Blorg. I think it's worth noting that I'm utterly uninvolved in Irish politics. -Toptomcat 13:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as normal, not notable, See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kent State University College Republicans, which resulted in a delete, for comparison. — Xroot (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Re: Blorgs comment: I'm apolitical. I have friends in Young Fine Gael and I'm familiar with the organisation and I occasionally edit articles on subects relating to them. I'm only going on previous precedents set and users should note I'm suggesting MERGING the article with Ógra Fianna Fáil which currently is a stub. -stephenh2312 22:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. I would not object to a merge and redirect into Ógra Fianna Fáil, was just concerned by your nomination, apparently after UCD YFG was deleted. Basically all the articles you have edited are to do with Fine Gael, and you have uploaded UCD YFG logos. So you must excuse me if I suspected partisan deletionism! -- Blorg 16:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
    • Comment. Also as you are apolitical I presume you will be listing YFG Letterkenny on AfD which I see you have edited? (for non-Irish readers, Letterkenny is a Donegal town around 1/100th the size of Dublin. -- Blorg 11:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Re: Blorgs's Comment. Because of Blorgs comments I think I'll have to give some background. I'm from a Fianna Fáil voting family. I am friendly with a lot of people in YFG. I'm not sure who I would vote for in a general election, but I'm leaning twords the Green Party. Anyway I noticed in the University College Dublin article that the Kevin Barry Cumann had an article on wikipedia and out of boredom I wrote an article on UCD YFG. The information on this was got from their website. It is the only article I've ever written and in the process I edited one or two others making links to the UCD YFG article. The UCD YFG article was later deleted apparently due to non-notablity and previous precedent. I personally think Wikipedia should change their policy on this but it's up to them. I think this article should be deleted and the relevant bits merged with Ógra Fianna Fáil in a new section say, 'notable branches of'. I understand this would create a precedent of its own and while it would work in Ireland it would lead to an overload of information on articles like Young Democrats in the US or any other party. It's up to Wikipedia. Blorg is accusing me of being partisan but you could look at the other side of the coin and accuse Wikipedia of having double standards. In any case I suggest a MERGE of the more relevant bits of the article -stephenh2312 17:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Blorg. Sharkface217 05:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per plenty of precedent. There really is nowt too special about KBC, just like the vast majority of student societies. Ohconfucius 08:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep until the information can be merged into Ógra Fianna Fáil, then redirect. JamesMLane t c 11:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Ógra Fianna Fáil. There are few reliable secondary sources at the moment, maybe someone with more familiarity could add some? Inner Earth 16:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge FirefoxMan 00:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per original nom. WMMartin 17:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.