Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ketchup on hot dogs

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. Owen× ☎ 23:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ketchup on hot dogs

Unencyclopedic. Can never be more than an essay, and will always be NPOV challanged Ezeu 05:22, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep. The article deals with an ongoing, albeit humorous, controversy that has been particularly notable in the Chicago area. Similar to the great "soda vs. pop" debate, sources are cited, including the national council cited in the article, and the debate has had prominent appearances in the media. Issues of NPOV were ironed out very early on after the article's creation and great care has been taken to insure the article's neutrality. Jtmichcock 05:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • delete Frivolous. Not encyclopedic. An essay. -Wiccan Quagga 05:48, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. More here than you might think. Needs a little work, but it can make it. Daniel Case 07:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, I support Chicago's patriotic effort to preserve our culinary heritage from the Red Menace. Gazpacho 09:05, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I wish the hot dog article could fit this in, though. D-Rock 11:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, I don't see how the use of ketchup on hot dogs deserves an encyclopedia article. — JIP | Talk 12:04, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • KeepSjc 12:05, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge or delete Surely at best all the subject deserves is a pargraph in the main ketchup or hot dog article? -- Wezzo 14:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, what is gained by this article again? -^demon 15:33, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with hot dog. It's definitely an interesting topic, but I think it's more worthy of being included in the main article rather than by itself. Make sure to cross-reference with Dirty Harry. 23skidoo 15:43, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Looks like an WP:NOR vio. karmafist 16:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, expand, and do not merge. Initial reaction was delete, but this ties in too well with the hot dog article. Can't be merged because of length. Therefore, default keep and expand for other condiments. -- JJay 18:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - I learned something new today. Next time I have a hot dog I shall try it without ketchup. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 20:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Straight Dope reference and two newspaper citations... borderline topic but commendable adherence to WP:V and WP:CITE makes it a keeper. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete hopelessly unencyclopedic, hopelessly POV. --Bachrach44 23:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Note, there is also a Chicago-style hot dog article. Maybe the controversial subject (in Chicago) of catsup on wieners can be covered there. --Ezeu 00:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Shorten to a paragraph and merge into hot dog. Zocky 00:53, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge into hot dog or ketchup. -- Mwalcoff 02:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete for obvious reasons stated above. wikipediatrix 02:55, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep -- discussion of notable food meme. (And I don't like ketchup on my hot dogs, but I don't like ketchup much to begin with.) Haikupoet 04:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia is not a discussion forum. Wikipedia is not a propaganda or advocacy machine. --Ezeu 05:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia also has a civility requirment. Jtmichcock 05:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Sure it does.--Ezeu 05:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • You seem to be unclear on the multiple meanings of the word "discussion". Haikupoet 05:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, because this is an opportunity for people to learn of the cultural differences between many Americans and Chicago citizens. This is a learning an opportunity. (personal attack removed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxonjf (talk • contribs)
  • Merge and redirect to Chicago-style hot dog which appears to be the proper place to discuss this. - Mgm|(talk) 11:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect per [[User:MacGyverMagic. This is a duplicate and an essay. Pilatus 14:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep, this is somewhat borderline as a notable topic, but it is starting to lean towards an encyclopedic article on a genuine food-culture touchstone. I think it should go on Wikipedia:Unusual articles if it is improved further. Andrew Levine 07:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: If Wikipedia can have an article Hitler has only got one ball, Ketchup on hot dogs fits right in. Jtmichcock 15:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
      • LOL. Good point. Looks like we may be setting a precedence for future AFDs. Maybe we should ask assistance from Wikipedia talk:Policies and guidelines --Ezeu 15:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Hmm, a widely known propaganda song created and/or popularized by WWII Allies as a part of psychological warfare seems like a slightly more encyclopedic subject than a local debate over whether a certain ingredient should be used in a certain dish. Zocky 03:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
        • Then would Toilet-related injury be more comparable? As stated by Wikipedia: "These articles are valuable contributions to the encyclopedia, but are somewhat odd, whimsical, or... well, something you wouldn't expect to find in Encyclopædia Britannica." Wikipedia ≈ Britannica. Jtmichcock 03:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
          • Toilet-related injuries are a matter of public health concern, and have been studyied in detail by scholars. --Ezeu 04:12, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
            • Kind of like food, or even hot dogs [1] -- JJay 04:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge or Delete I don't see this article as requiring anything more than a subsection of hot dog or ketchup --Mike5904 04:15, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep This article was created to allow for a more thorough discussion of the topic that could have been fit intot he hot dog article itself. If the vote comes out as merge, I would reccomend that it go to the Chicago style hot dog article, as opposed to the main article, however. Youngamerican 16:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Smerge or Delete A paragraph or two may well be appropriate in another hot-dog article, most likely the Chicago-style one. This topic though, 1) does not deserve its own article and 2) does not merit this much coverage in any article. The Literate Engineer 08:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 14:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.