Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenny Williams (cyclist)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 00:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kenny Williams (cyclist)

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Delete nn sportsman (claim to be a professional is unreferenced) Mayalld (talk) 15:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Neutral According to Wikipedia:Notability (people) an athlete must compete in the highest level in their sport, and it seems as though this person might be notable since they competed in national championships. On the other hand, seems non notable due to lack of references in primary sources. Conclusion, undecided on which carries more weight.Plm209(talk • contribs) 15:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep - according to the fact that he is an elite national champion. He also won several other medals in national championships and became 2nd and 3rd in the Burnaby Six Days which is a professional race, referencing his professionalism. Iameddie (talk) 15:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment Professional in the context of notability criteria means "paid", not "very good". The race may be a professional, but that doesn't address the fundamental question as to his Amateur/Professional status as an athlete. Mayalld (talk) 15:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Actually "professional" in the context of notability criteria refers to the events in which an athlete has competed, not the athlete's personal status. WP:BIO says, "Competitors and coaches who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis." The subject of this article has done that, regardless of whether he personally is a professional. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment Alright, but he's been "paid" for finishing 2nd and 3rd of course. Iameddie (talk) 15:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
comment: common sense suggests that if amateurs are competing in professional competitions/leagues, they count as professionals for notability purposes - it's a rule-of-thumb measure of notability, not a specific criterium relating to sources of income. --Paularblaster (talk) 17:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep - There are 392 matches for him here if you search him in quotes. I have a feeling enough sources can be found to verify his notability. matt91486 (talk) 15:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep - a google news search also has his name appearing in a lot of cycling news -- Whpq (talk) 16:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep The sources provided establish that Williams has competed at the highest level of his sport, satisfying the Wikipedia:Notability standard. Alansohn (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.