Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken suid

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. – Will (message me!) 08:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ken suid

Bio of unremarkable university administrator (Vice chancellor is as high as he ever rose). Wikipedia is NOT a memorial. Calton | Talk 07:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep, but .. - change name to Ken Suid, and completely rewrite it so it does not read like a memorial. This guy is clearly a notable educationalist. It just does not come out of a poorly written article. It needs someone who knows the system better than I do to rewrite it. --Bduke 08:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • This guy is clearly a notable educationalist Based on what? --Calton | Talk 00:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong delete, none of this is verifiable with reliable sources (the Princeton link doesn't work, and the UCR link just lists him as a promoter), and WP:NOT a memorial. The Yahoo group dedicated to him has 16 members. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 08:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep but clean up, found a death notice[1] confirming that he was "vice chancellor of the University of California at Riverside, an assistant U.S. secretary of education, dean of Immaculate Heart College, and a vice president of Bell & Howell." These sound like an awful lot of reasons to keep the article. Still, clean it up to not seem like a bad cross between a resume and a memorial. -- H·G (words/works) 08:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. To elaborate on my "keep" opinion, I think the subject arguably meets WP:BIO--"Political figures holding international, national or statewide/provincewide office..."--as Asst US Sec of Ed; this doesn't specify elected office. Not a strong meeting of that criterion (this isn't one of my stronger "keep" votes), but combined with his other roles, enough to skirt by. I tend to think of notability criteria as an extension of WP:NOT--indiscriminate collection of info, and by that measure I feel the subject doesn't fall short. Needs work to be sure, but I think this would be of enough potential interest that it deserves an article here. -- H·G (words/works) 20:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete The Ken Suid Dim Sum Yahoo group made me think this was a hoax at first, but he pops up in UCR timelines twice. In any case, 147 G-hits for Ken Suid, most of which aren't about him. ~ trialsanderrors 08:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:Bio, and WP:NOT a memorial. Dionyseus 09:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep pending cleanup per HG - Che Nuevara: Join the Revolution 12:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:Bio, not by miles but still fails.--Nick Y. 17:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Assistant Secretary of Education for both Kenedy and Johnson is significant. To remember a country's leader is imeprative to understand that country's evolution. That being said, this article needs a signiicant amount of revision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.34.142 (talk • contribs)
  • Keep pending cleanup I am the original author. I've placed this wikipedia as a placeholder until I can dig into more detailed information. Ken Suid had a trememdous impact on education in America, first as Asst. Secretary of Education, then as VP of Bell and Howell, then Trend. His story is interesting and informative on the intersection between academia, government, and private enterprise. For this reason I believe he deserves a wikipedia entry--not for a memorial, but for education. There are few google references to Ken Suid, because he had no knowledge of the internet, not even an email address. I feel he is notable for the following reasons: He held a high position in government, he was instrumental in the rise of the polytechnic institute as an American fixture. --Harperbrad 21:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Someone who has had "a tremendous impact on education in America" should have left bigger footprints, don't you think? And what, pray tell, are some verifiable examples of his "tremendous impact"? --Calton | Talk 00:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Assistant Secretary of Education, by itself, does not qualify as a national office. There must be hundreds of them at any given time. If verifiable, reliable sources can be provided toward his impact on education, keep. Otherwise, delete. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 23:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete as per nom. Judging by the Education Department's own website[2], Assistant Secretary does not seem to be a particularly high rank, and I think not encyclopedically notable enough for an article for everyone who holds that post. Certainly the Vice-Presidencies of the 3 corporations is not notable enough. Major corporations have many VPs, and they are not generally very powerful. Wikipedia is not an archive for articles about every single moderately important Mandarin or corporate executive or university administrator. Perhaps he did something notable in the CIA? We may never know. Bwithh 23:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • keep please passes bio guideline per humblegod person is notable Yuckfoo 20:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.