Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelso's Pizza & Pub

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 03:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kelso's Pizza & Pub

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Does not appear to be sufficiently notable to warrant an article; prod removed, I am placing it here. Into The Fray T/C 03:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - Not-notable, advertisement. Just another pizza parlor. Postoak 03:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Don't delete it.. I gave referances to it ^-^ includes a newspaper review/article and the website - and of course it's "just another pizza parlor" to you, Postoak - because you probably don't live here/never been there/and couldn't care less, well - I do CloversMallRat 03:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, no evidence whatsoever of notability. Looks like an ad. Realkyhick 03:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
    What if I worded it to sound more historic? Like, gave some history about it? CloversMallRat 03:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the Kansas City articles for deletion. —Jreferee (Talk) 03:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Just because references are added CloversMallRat doesn't mean it's notable; I don't even think it's notable in the street it's in... NN, OR and reads like an advert. Delete. Spawn Man 04:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as non-notable. Sorry, CloversMallRat (t c), I live in the Kansas City area, and have heard of this place maybe once or twice. It's NOT notable. --Darkwind (talk) 05:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Delete per above. The JPStalk to me 10:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. The strongest source is a local restaurant review of the sort that almost any restaurant has been the subject of, but there's no evidence, even in that source, that this restaurant is particularly notable or significant. -FisherQueen (Talk) 10:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

But, what about Pizza Shoppe? It's a HUGE Kansas City chain, but it keep getting deleted too... <cries> Everyone dislikes my articles.. PS: The main reason I want Kelso's not to be deleted because it's my fave pizza place, and because my grandpa knows all about it... he was friends with the guy who started it, Bill Kelso and even delivered beer to them back in the days of beer trucks and he even worked at one or two of the ones past, and could tell you exactly where all of the 5 or so previous ones were. It's a part of me in a way, that's why I care so much. CloversMallRat 22:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You probably gave the others a reason to delete this even more. You obviously have a COI (Conflict of interest) and this has clouded your judgement over the article's real notability... Sorry dude, but this article just isn't notable. Spawn Man 05:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply. If you want to write about the place because you love it, that's a worthy goal. But Wikipedia isn't the right place to do it. What you should do is write a magazine article, or a novel, or a collection of poetry, and submit them for publication to an appropriate publisher. Then you can express your love for Kelso's and help it become more widely known. Maybe someday it'll even become important enough for someone to write an article about it here. -FisherQueen (Talk) 10:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Whats a conflict interest? 0_o I mean like, my grandpa knew the guy who owned it and worked there - it's been around a long time.. that's all CloversMallRat 19:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply - It's a conflict of interest inasmuch as you appear to have an emotional attachment to the subject matter of the piece. I am personally touched by your interest in it and wish that it were notable so that it could stay, believe it or not. But it simply does not seem so. The only suggestion that I could make to you at this point is that you attempt to establish its notability. A visit to the local library might be in order to see if there is any significant news coverage, if the company has played a significant role in local history, etc. I looked on Yahoo!, Google, Google News and Google's News Archives, but was unable to find anything that changed my mind. Please see verifiability and conflict of interest, notability guidelines and notability guidelines for companies. Good luck to you. Into The Fray T/C 01:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I feel for you Mallrat, I really do, but I'm not going to pander to a sob story - Fray, let's not give him false notions; Kelso's Pizza & Pub is not notable, there's no two ways about it. If we say that there's a chance it might be notable if he works really hard trying to find something in a local newspaper, then he'll never be able to discern what articles are notable and which are not. We'll just end up with another AfD and more time wasted. Mallrat, let me give you a demo - Fifteen (restaurant); notable... Kelso's Pizza & Pub; not notable. Per your question over what a COI was, I would suggest you read both WP:COI and also WP:Notability. Hoepfully you'll keep editing here, but please do make it about things which are notable. Regards, Spawn Man 09:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I am all for having businesses added to Wikipedia, even small ones, but they need to have a significant reason for being here. There should be a history, perhaps a major contribution to the community in which they exist in and more information on the business itself, otherwise as is the case with this article, it reads like an advertisement for the location which is against Wikipedia policy.--Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 16:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.