Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kazemake

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kazemake

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Original research based on a mispronounced title of 風まかせ (Kazemakase).--Jjok (talk) 15:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC) (Procedural, completing an incomplete nomination by Jjok several hours ago. ···日本穣)? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. —···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, I know a lady of this name, though there is no way to "prove" it, and any way I tried would be OR. Chris (クリス) (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Can you produce any references regarding the name? If we can find these, it could be a disambig page if nothing else (provided there are articles here about people with this name). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Uh, what's the deletion rationale? —Quasirandom (talk) 03:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
    • No idea. The nomination was incomplete, and I was merely completing the procedure for Jjok. You will have to ask Jjok to supply one. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Never heard of such a ridiculous name. It doesn't sound like a Japanese personal name at all, much less a Japanese "feminine given name." The alleged meaning of the name makes no sense, either. Even if it exists, there is no point in having a Wikipedia article on such an exceptionally uncommon name of which you cannot cite even a single instance of use in a reputable source. Could be a WP:HOAX. --Saintjust (talk) 03:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Possibly the creator of the article just heard the name wrong. [1] [2]. --Saintjust (talk) 03:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
      • I have been posting this request for several months

        Please help me to capture the Japanese script for Kazemake, 風まかせ contains elements of this, but I don't know which part it is. This is my late Wife's little sister's name, and I want to be able to write it. I just found out, I got the job teaching in Japan! :) Chris (talk) 07:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

        Do not assume that her name is something else, or that I misheard her name. Her name is Kazemake, nothing else. Even if this article gets deleted, you are making assumptions you have no business making. Chris (クリス) (talk) 20:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
        • How do you know if you heard it right when your self-confessed Japanese ability is "ja-0 この利用者は日本語がわかりません" and you are the only known source of information for this name? If it's just a name of an pseudonymous Wikipedia editor's wife's little sister and nothing more, it doesn't merit reference on an encyclopaedia. --Saintjust (talk) 02:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
      • I see. So most probably, her name is Ran (蘭) in Kazemakase (while 風 (surname) まかせ (given) is not impossible). Chris, please reconfirm her name with your wife.--Jjok (talk) 15:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
        • My Wife died two years ago, so that is not possible. Chris (クリス) (talk) 15:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
          • I am sorry for that.--Jjok (talk) 16:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
          • Then why don't you ask a relative of her? --Saintjust (talk) 02:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't really see any reason to delete... Master of Puppets Care to share? 03:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. I saw the linked article Carried by the Wind: Tsukikage Ran. That kazemakase is an adjective. Tsukikage (surname) Ran (given name) is the character name. Kazemakase means depending on the wind (i.e. whimsical). Oda Mari (talk) 10:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Jim Breen's dictionary (here) has no listing for 'kazemake' as a viable name. Page asserts no sense of notability, lists no people with that given name, etc. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 14:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per Oda Mari.--Jjok (talk) 15:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment With all due respect to Mr. Breen and his work, his dictionary is hardly the definitive place to look for obscure kanji name readings. I did a quick sifting through the name readings in the Kanjigen on my electronic dictionary, though - I don't have a thorough search function, so this is not a definitive result either, but the kanji that I (or rather, the gizmo) could come up with didn't match. I looked up kanji that read make, maku and maki, and the closest one gets in name readings for all of these is "maki". Which seems a much more natural selection for a Japanese name, might I add. I also did some googling, and came up with a dictionary, which lists "kazemake" as meaning "to become dependant on something or someone" in a Kumamoto dialect. TomorrowTime (talk) 00:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. I think it's fairly clear that this is a) supposed to be 風まかせ and b) is not a woman's name. -Amake (talk) 12:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
reply you are incorrect; as has been repeatedly stated, it is someone's name, even though it is uncommon, perhaps unique. Chris (クリス) (talk) 01:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
To be honest, I think you're wrong. You have no proof, so it doesn't matter either way. -Amake (talk) 03:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. What's important is not whether or not it is a name, but whether it is a name of anyone notable. I don't see how this article could be expanded at all without there being someone notable by that name, and professional, reliable secondary sources about that person. Of course, even if that were to happen, it would then be an article about the individual person, and not the name. The name simply doesn't have enough notable/significant history to it, nor enough notable people bearing it, to warrant an article. I'm normally very much an inclusionist, but in this case I just don't see the point in keeping the article. LordAmeth (talk) 15:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete — Yahoo Japan/Daijisen dictionary has an entry for まけ【▽任】, so we can perhaps deduce the obscure reading of 風任 as "Kazemake." However, the question is: "Is 風任 (Kazemake) notable?".--Endroit (talk) 18:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.