Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kathleen Kean

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The result was delete. Grandmasterka 10:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kathleen Kean

Won one national award. I don't know if a high school teacher award is notable enough. Nishkid64 03:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into a new article on National Preserve America History Teacher of the Year Award and delete. If people are notable only in the context of the award, then information about them should go in the article about the award. --Hyperbole 05:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete HS teachers are almost by default non notable. I know, I am one. The assertion that she is a "historian" is unverified. a google search of her name turns up 906 hits, though MANY are for other people with the same name. The only references to her come from a) local newspapers that note she's a cool and fun teacher and b) she won an award from Laura Bush that acknowledges that shes a cool and fun teacher. No hits come up that cite her work as an historian, either her original work or others that cite her work. --Jayron32 05:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A teacher who wins a national award presented by the First Lady is much more notable than a working whore who has been given a "year's best blowjob" award by two dozen guys who watch porn all day and blog about it [and that's all that WP:PORN requires for notability]. VivianDarkbloom 12:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • reply Let us know how you really feel. The analogy does not hold water. Notability criteria is NOT based on what is "good" for society at large. This person, I will assert, is far more important to us vis-a-vis her positive contribution to society, but that is not a criteria for inclusion in WikiPedia. The fact that a wider audience is aware of a Porn Actress than of a Wisconsin High School teacher means that the Porn Actress is actually more worthy of inclusion by the basic notability guidlines. Being a good person is not the baseline notability guideline for inclusion. If it were, important figures like Pol Pot and Jeffrey Dahmer would be unworthy of inclusion, while some of my buddies that are also High School teachers (some having won national awards even) would be worthy of inclusion. That's just silly. We don't have to like that people are notable for doing things that we find abhorrant. Do I think that Porn Actresses should be notable for what they do? My opinion doesn't matter. Society at large shows such an actresses notabilty, and wikipedia's inclusion of the subject matter is a reflection of that. Award-winning high school teachers are not as notable in the society at large. Is that right? Probably not. Is it the place of a document like WikiPedia to change that? Definately not. --Jayron32 17:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete WH awards are a dime a dozen; article needs to assert more than that for notability. Does everyone who wins some staged photo-op meet de jure the notability standard per WP:BIO? Citing the lamentably low standards elsewhere is not an argument: crap does not justify crap. Eusebeus 15:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as subject doesn't meet WP:BIO.--Isotope23 17:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. She may be a good person, but she isn't a notable person. Ultra-Loser ^{Talk | BT sites} 01:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to National Preserve America History Teacher of the Year Award if that article is considered notable. Otherwise, just Delete. --Marriedtofilm 21:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as subject doesn't meet WP:BIO TheRanger 23:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.