Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamikaze (cocktail)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. W.marsh 05:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kamikaze (cocktail)
Non-notable cocktail, WP:NOT a recipe book. Prod was removed with the comment "WP:not does not include recipes. recipes are encyclopedic", which is false—recipes are specifically mentioned as an example in WP:NOT. It seems highly unlikely that this article could ever be expanded beyond a recipe. Quale 08:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. MER-C 09:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Very Weak Keep- I'm remembering back to my first experiences venturing into bars. It would have been nice to have a resource for learning more about mixed drinks.WP is probably not the best place for it, though. It would be better to find a page to merge just the informative parts and then redirect.--Willscrlt 15:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete - I have just copied the information to List of cocktails#Cocktails with vodka. The Kamikaze (cocktail) is completely unneeded, unless somebody has a lot of information to add (unlikely). I found several articles that are similar while cleaning up just that one section. I plan to go through the rest of the List of cocktails, cleaning it up, and then AfD the ones which are equally pointless after the cleaning. Unless people think that is a bad idea and have a better one. --Willscrlt 08:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Comment So would there be a redirect if deleted? SliceNYC 21:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Reply to Comment - Good question. People say "redirects are cheap", so I do not see why not. The correct link target would be [[List of cocktails#Cocktails with vodka]]. The drink also is cross-referenced under [[Shooter (beverage)]] and [[List of cocktails#Shots/shooters]], but the vodka link is probably the most stable one. --Willscrlt 16:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Comment So would there be a redirect if deleted? SliceNYC 21:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - I have just copied the information to List of cocktails#Cocktails with vodka. The Kamikaze (cocktail) is completely unneeded, unless somebody has a lot of information to add (unlikely). I found several articles that are similar while cleaning up just that one section. I plan to go through the rest of the List of cocktails, cleaning it up, and then AfD the ones which are equally pointless after the cleaning. Unless people think that is a bad idea and have a better one. --Willscrlt 08:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, WP:NOT. Darkspots 18:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I for one disagree with the conflation of "recipe book" and cocktails. With mixed drinks, ingredients and amounts need to be listed: that's what distinguishes one from another. That being said, the jury's still out on the cocktail's notability/verifiability. SliceNYC 01:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Google returns a lot of hits from various searching combinations, though it might be hard to tell because kamikaze has other uses. As I've argued, WP:NOT a recipe book is dubious -- I read that as, "don't say cook at 350 degrees for 30 minutes", not "don't say anything about the food or beverage" -- and not enough reason to delete. SliceNYC 21:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- Keep I don't get what the problem is -- it's a very popular drink (it's in every recipe book I've ever used), and it's got pretty standardized ratios. A Google search for "Kamikaze drink recipe" returns 118k hits -- seems pretty notable to me. The article just tells you everything you need to know about the drink, as there's seemingly no history behind it. Zorath 18:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- Comment The problem, in a nutshell, is that Wikipedia has a guideline, WP:NOT#IINFO, that this article seems to perfectly exemplify. How do you feel this article does not violate the guideline, which was referenced in the nomination? Darkspots 19:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I don't intend to speak for Zorath, but like I said above and also here, with cocktails, you can and should list the ingredients. Though you might read into providing the ingreidents as a recipe and contrary to WP:NOT, WP:IAR is a policy too that I feel justifies giving a drink's contents. SliceNYC 21:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- Comment The problem, in a nutshell, is that Wikipedia has a guideline, WP:NOT#IINFO, that this article seems to perfectly exemplify. How do you feel this article does not violate the guideline, which was referenced in the nomination? Darkspots 19:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. I suspect an article could be made on this drink's appearance in and influence on popular culture, with endless citations, but ... this ain't it. Xtifr tälk 19:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOT. WMMartin 18:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- Transwiki to Wikibooks. It can be put into the Bartending Wikibook under the section on Cocktails with tequila ... and/or Cocktails with vodka. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
