Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kaisuan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kaisuan

This performer fails WP:MUSIC. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete. He also happens to fail WP:CSD A7 (db-bio), for a failure to assert notability in article. alphaChimp ^laudare 02:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

  Per SynergeticMaggot's comment, I am downgrading my vote to delete. He fails WP:BIO, and WP:MUSIC. alphaChimp ^laudare 02:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Article states that there have been many hit singles reach #1 on various charts. This meets WP:MUSIC. I'm asking for nom to withdraw. SynergeticMaggot 02:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per argument with others. I was sure this met WP:MUSIC but oh well, I'm a deletionist in the end :) SynergeticMaggot 02:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Also, artist won awards. SynergeticMaggot 02:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. Check out the results of this google search and his incredible artist page at his record label [1]. Refering to your comment about winning awards, the following text is from WP:MUSIC: "Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury Music Award." alphaChimp ^laudare 02:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Response. Yes but the artist only needs to meet one of the requirements of WP:MUSIC. And you just proved it wasnt a hoax by giving the bio page/band page. Whichever. Point is, it exists. SynergeticMaggot 02:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment. I'm not attempting to say it's a hoax. The simple evidence that someone exists is not sufficient merit to have an article on Wikipedia. Awards must be notable, well known awards. Any charts must be national in a medium to large sized country. Any charts? alphaChimp ^laudare 02:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
          • Comment. No, not anymore. You changed your mind for some reason, the diff is right here. SynergeticMaggot 02:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, although he IS "trying to to do his thing in the music biz". I doubt the validity of the pieces of evidence cited by SynergeticMaggot. AdamBiswanger1 02:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. I didnt give any evidence. Its in the article. It looks more like the nom didnt read it before slapping the AfD tag on. SynergeticMaggot 02:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Your assumption is obviously false. I wouldn't have nominated the page if I hadn't read the article. Because of the claims of notability, I didn't speedy it, which it deserves, but brought it here instead. You have yet to show that he qualifies at WP:MUSIC. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Well if you are willing to use WP:MUSIC you might want to read it. WP:MUSIC#Musicians_and_ensembles states:
      • Has had a charted hit on any national music chart, in at least one large or medium-sized country.
      • And it wasnt an assumption. SynergeticMaggot 02:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Which national music chart has he had a hit on? User:Zoe|(talk) 02:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
          • Comment. Apparently, three of them: Mp3unsigned R&B Charts, AudioStreetR&B Charts, Betarecords R&B charts. Remember, WP:MUSIC is a guideline, and these charts simply are not notable. alphaChimp ^laudare 02:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
            • Seconded. As a side note, the article itself is absolute junk AdamBiswanger1 03:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. The charts that this artist has topped are for unsigned artists. There are problems with verifiability and notability of such charts. There seems be little if any verifiable evidence that this artist meets WP:MUSIC. Capitalistroadster 02:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. per capitalistroadster's summary of the above. --Quiddity 02:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete CSD-G3 - Article created through move vandalism - Wikipedia:Searching (see moves on searching) then the user (who coincidentally has the same name as the article subject) contributed all of the article text. Delete immediately as to not encourage this behaviour - No evidence artist meets WP:MUSIC --Trödel 03:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per CSD-G3, per Trödel. --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 06:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete. I'm uncomfortable with the notion that only the big business recording industry and the ralted commercialised chart structure makes an artist notable, and I think that I may detect a little of that in the references to other charts. Nonetheless, WP:MUSIC stands as the best guideline we have, and it does allow for notability through touring, which Kaisuan does not appear to hav done ... but I think that with the musicbiz gong through so many changes, WP:MUSIC may need revisiting. --BrownHairedGirl 07:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Capitalistroadster's summary. Mr Stephen 10:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. the article's author, who shares the name of this article, just blanked this AfD page. Be ready for any similar vandalism and consider adding this page to your watchlist. alphaChimp ^laudare 14:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete.--studerby 16:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC) There are a plethora of charts for small and indy musicians outside the "big business" arena; I seriously question the significance of appearing on the cited charts. Even so, I reviewed the available info on the 4 cited charts:
  • betarecords - currently #2 on the Rhthym/Blues chart, 53 downloads last week, 456 total
  • soundclick - currently #267 on the R&B/Soul/Pop sub-chart (no stats)
  • audiostreet - current rank #455, highest rank #112, song plays 53, pages views 271
  • mp3unsigned - nothing found, artist apparently has no music on this site
• Delete per WP:MUSIC. Themindset 17:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Ignorant query. Why is this page (Kaisuan) on my watchlist? I am pretty certain I had never before visited the page, let alone set it to "watch". I do have Wikipedia:Searching on my watchlist; did the merge/unmerge lead the watchlists for the two pages to get munged somehow? Kestenbaum 21:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. Page move vandalism. The author has been warned, and the changes have been reverted. alphaChimp ^laudare 22:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. Yes, the page move of Searching dragged all the watchers along to watching Kaisuan. --studerby 00:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. —Ruud 01:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I dealt with this when he moved WP:Search. Now the same user is back again (And I saw on his contribs he blanked this page.) This thing is disrupting wikipedia. While it is debatable if it is appropriate to speedy delete this under WP:BIO or MUSIC, I feel it is safe to say that until certain criteria are met (IE:His album actually comes out, and the article is writable from a NPOV, which doesn't seem likely atm), this should be deleted. Logical2u 01:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. User:MotykI think that he is did the things he was supposed to do and he is working on fixing them. He did not want this article to be deleted and he did not know what he was doing so i took the time to fix his problem for him so his page would not get deleted.And yes his Album is supposed to be coming out late December early January so look for the album to be in stores real soon.I feel this kid is tryin to let people know where he is coming from. Yeah he made a couple mistakes , but they are real easy to fix. Instead of bringing the boy down try to help make it right. But overall the article is well put together and is good. For a first time article. I did my facts on the charts and everything is all cool now so it shouldn't be a problem about this article anymore i done the job for him.
  • The votes to delete are because he doesn't yet meet the requirements under WP:MUSIC - althought I originally voted to delete because of the move vandalism - I can see it was a mistake by a new user, and I wish him well. Just remember what wikipedia is not --Trödel 15:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.