Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kadis-kot

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge and redirect to List of games in Star Trek, a new article provided by Fayenatic. Very good work. Cool Hand Luke 08:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kadis-kot

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Delete - there is no real-world significance to this fictional game and no reliable sources establish its notability. Prod removed with the comment that a merger to a list article was planned, but the resulting list of Star Trek games would itself not be notable. Otto4711 19:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge to a list of Star Trek games. No, notability is not inherited, but to some extent things can be kept in separate articles that might be mentioned in the main article except for space concerns, as described in WP:SUMMARY. Pinball22 20:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete No secondary sources to establish notability or provide real world context. WP:SUMMARY does not allow for the creation of articles that do not meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. Jay32183 21:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to new List of games in Star Trek. Several fictional games form recurring plot elements, spanning multiple Star Trek series, including Parrises Squares and Dabo (Star Trek). In such a highly notable franchise, recurring plot elements are themselves sufficiently notable, and a list of games will be of navigational value, e.g. for people who are not big fans but nevertheless interested enough to distinguish one game from another. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't believe that these games rise to the level of "plot elements." I'm hard-pressed to think of any episode in any incarnation of ST in which any of these games couldn't have been replaced by any other of the games or for that matter a real game. Harry Kim for instance was a Parrises Squares champion during his Academy days; is our understanding of the character any different for knowing that he was a champion at this game versus say football or squash? Otto4711 20:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, certainly in that case. It is consistently implied in multiple episodes that playing Parrises Squares carries a high risk of serious personal injury. Being a champ therefore does imply more about the character than being a football star or squash champ. Thanks for offering such a clear example. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Rugby league and American Football carry high risk of personal injury. The important parts of the game for the character can easily be covered within the character page. Jay32183 (talk) 19:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and Redirect to List of games in Star Trek, article is not sufficiently notable to stand alone, but would make a good group article -- Maelwys (talk) 18:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per lack of real-world notability. The notion that "In such a highly notable franchise, recurring plot elements are themselves sufficiently notable" is WP:OR --EEMIV (talk) 00:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
    • The above argument (made in this AFD, not an article) doesn't seem like WP:OR to me, but feel free to explain why - best on my talk page, as this is due to close. I do accept that it was a claim for inherited notability, and therefore fails. I also acknowledge that Kadis-kot is the least notable of the 3 Star Trek games in current AFDs. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect as discussed. Thank you for fixing this problem. Bearian (talk) 23:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect per Fayenatic. --Fang Aili talk 03:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.