Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kabul Soccer Club

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kabul Soccer Club

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Non-notable soccer club. I initially put a db-nn tag on it, because it's utterly non-notable, but it's been here since 2004, so I decided to afd it. Corvus cornix 23:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete as per nom. RMHED 01:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is the longest running soccer club for exiled Afghans in the U.S. It was formed and continues to be advanced by members of the old Afghan team AND has taken an important role in building a U.S.-Afghan cultural bridge. Kingturtle 03:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Big deal. It has no notability, any more than the longest running soccer club for exiled Brits, exiled Frenchmen, exiled Japanese, or exiled Belizeans. And where is the longest running baseball club for exiled Americans in the United Kingdom? Corvus cornix 17:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
    You seem to miss the fact that Afghanistan has been a country in major upheaval for almost 40 years. Their refugee issues are severe, a sort of diaspora. Organizations like this Kabul Soccer Club play an important role in maintaining trying to put Afghanistan back together again. Please don't mock this situation by trying to claim that there are any major numbers of exiled Brits or Belizeans. The verb exile means "to banish or expel from one's own country or home." A refugee is "a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution." Just to be clear. Kingturtle 22:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete although, if kingturtle can cite the information he mentions here, I might be persuaded to change to keep.Balloonman 06:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
    The information was taken from news-wires in 2004. Access to these stories are not available online without a fee. Anyone out there have access to 2004 news-wire archives? Kingturtle 16:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I have found an article published by the Oakland Tribune[1], which pretty much confirms most of what is written in the article and confirms notability in my view. Note that the names of the individual clubs have changed, the one in Concord is now called Afghan United Soccer Club and the LA team is called Ariana Soccer Club, so searches under these names may produce more sources. --Malcolmxl5 04:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    I'm still not buying it... one source doesn't equate to notabilityBalloonman 06:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into article below about List of ex-pat Afghan football clubs around the world. An article about all the clubs would be notable, but any single one is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawrencekhoo (talk • contribs) 17:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 10:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Even if this club might fail the notability criteria of football clubs on WP:WPF, I think this article in some way goes beyond the scope of WP:WPF and that there might be other considerations to take into account here. Perhaps there are social, political or cultural factors that make it notable (the article is at least hinting something simmilar), and since I don´t feel qualified to make those kind of judgments, I want to give other people the chance to make them. Tryin to judge the football merits, I am not an expert on Afghan football but I'm guessing the Afghani league is experiencing somewhat of a down-turn at the moment (even if there seem to be a league made up of Kabul teams). Since Afghan football clearly is within the scope of WP:WPF, perhaps this is one of the most important "Afghan" clubs? It should also be noted that the List of ex-pat Afghan football clubs around the world is currently nominated for deletion, so a "merge" may mean a "delete". Sebisthlm 13:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete people are all equal to me, so saying they are notable because they're Afghan is quite pointless. It is just a very amateur football club with a well-defined and particular aim, which is not enough to establish notability for them. --Angelo 21:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
    To be fair, people may all be equal to you, but people are *not* all equal to some nation-states, and therefore our planet has people in exile and has refugees. Kingturtle 21:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.