Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KKK costume

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was move to Ku Klux Klan regalia and insignia. – ABCD✉ 00:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] KKK costume

listing an incomplete nomination from today. no vote. Nabla 17:44, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

This article contains lots of unsubstantiated claims, goofy urban folklore, and wild speculation, as well as a lot of material that is about the Ku Klux Klan in general, rather than its costumes. The Klan has always tried to sound mysterious, ancient, and exciting, and this article is a symptom of that, with lots of nonsensical speculation that the costume was meant to emulate ancient druids', etc. A large portion of the article is simply a list of depictions of the Klan in popular culture. Of the part of the article that actually deals with the costume, I don't think any of it is true based on the print sources I have access to. The images are duplicated in the main Ku Klux Klan article.--Bcrowell 04:10, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. If the main Klan article gets too long, we can break out material on various aspects, but as is, this material doesn't belong anywhere on WP. Meelar (talk) 19:34, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with Ku Klux Klan. --malathion talk 20:16, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - where claims are mere speculation, this is clearly stated. I think it is important to discuss, for example, the evolution of the costume, which is documented, and which was originally quite different. Why should cross burning have its own article, but not this? As for the Klan trying to sound exciting and mysterious, I don't think that's what the article about, since it is not a pro-Klan piece. If there is a "druid" influence, this may well have come in via Sir Walter Scott, whose influence on the KKK is quite well documented. --MacRusgail 14:09, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
I disagree with your statement that "where claims are mere speculation, this is clearly stated;" virtually all of the article (at least the part that does actually deal with the costume) is speculation, and most of the time it is not clearly stated. The Fiery cross article is just a redirect to Ku Klux Klan.--Bcrowell 15:47, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and cleanup.  Grue  19:30, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and cleanup. This could become a good article.Jeltz talk 20:44, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I think it already is a good article. With time it will become better. -- Judson 23:12, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

It seems clear that there's not going to be a consensus for deletion, so I withdraw my vfd nomination. I'll delete everything that I think is wrong, off-topic, not verifiable, or duplicative, which will leave an extremely short stub of an article.--Bcrowell 02:02, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.