Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin DeBower

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Article protected against recreation. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Justin DeBower

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Recreation of article speedily deleted within the last 12 hours (nn G7). Fails WP:ATHLETE completely. Problems with WP:RS - claims made cannot be verified (eg Rivals.com); the "official profile" in the infobox links to a non-existent NBA subpage. Appears to be promotional fluff. Taroaldo (talk) 20:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, suspicious astroturfing for a kid who is likely to be recruited (but at what level who knows). The "NEIC Honorable Mention" appears to be his high school conference. Fails WP:ATHLETE, WP:BIO, specific claims fail WP:V. --Dhartung | Talk 20:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings, fellow basketball recruits, have their own Wikipedia page. The same should apply for the Junkyard Dog. 12.207.131.167 (talk) 21:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Note: It is worth noting that Evans has nearly 70,000 ghits and Jennings has over 90,000 compared to 73 for DeBower. More important, though, is Google news which produces 99 articles for Evans and 96 for Jennings, but zero for DeBower. It is true that Wikipedia is not a numbers game and that ghits alone do not make an article notable nor does a lack of ghits make for a non-notable topic, but, since WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS was invoked, I thought it was worth pointing out that this stuff is not quite the same as the other stuff at least in terms of notability in the media. OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 00:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Regardless of coverage, WP:ATHLETE doesn't make accommodation for high school athletes. --- Taroaldo (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Trust me, the last thing I want is more articles on high school athletes, however, with sufficient media coverage that meets WP:RS, a person can be notable per WP:N and WP:BIO under general notability criteria even if their athletic career does not meet WP:ATHLETE standards. (Not the case with this article, however.) OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 01:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

LeBron James certainly would have merited an article while he was still in high school. There are always a handful of high school basketball players who achieve national recognition before playing in college or the pros. (DeBower isn't on that level, though.) Zagalejo^^^ 01:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Justin DeBower is a well-known commodity in the basketball community. He should be kept on Wikipedia. John
• Keep, Wikipedia is about knowledge and information. The article about this particular basketball player, though unknown to me, must be kept to further Wikipedia's mission. Rob
• Keep, Justin DeBower isn't just some random basketball player. He is being recruited major Division 1 colleges and is ranked 9th in his class by Rivals.com. That is a major player in basketball terms. Dr.J

Note: I've struck out the !votes above, which were added, with crudely forged sigs, by 12.207.131.167 (talk · contribs), who has already expressed his opinion above. Deor (talk) 22:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 22:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Recreation of deleted material. erc ^{talk/contribs} 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete. For a moment I thought this might be a hoax, but there are some ghits to back up that this person does play bball in Charles City, Iowa, but that is all. The link in the infobox to a supposed player profile at nba.com is bogus. There are no Google news hits. In other words, no notability to meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:N in general. The crude attempt at sockpuppetry noted above is rather offputting as well and backs up my strong suspicion that a COI is at work here. OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 23:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Way too obscure for Wikipedia. I didn't find him listed anywhere at Rivals.com. Zagalejo^^^ 01:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep this article. Wikipedia should expand their horizons so that all stories are covered, big or small. If it isn't an important story now, no big deal. When JD becomes more popular, though, people will want to see his page on Wikipedia...BlackMustang40 — BlackMustang40 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Delete per nom and salt. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete and salt. Too much article re-creation, sockpuppetry, and AfD-tag blanking surrounding this nonnotable high-schooler. Deor (talk) 16:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete This article is full of lies and half-truths. This should be deleted immediately, and I am one of the creators. RickyVando (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC) — RickyVando (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • This editor vandalized the article by replacing with a copy of Earl Seibert changed to use the name Justin DeBower. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.