Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Just a Minute Radio Episodes

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete consensus is for deletion but even without such a consensus the copyright violations would take precedence anyway. Gnangarra 14:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just a Minute Radio Episodes

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Wikipedia is not an indiscrminate collection of information. List seems to promote Tripod site with transcripts, which is a big ol' violation of WP:EL right there but so help me if I don't have the patience to remove 671 inappropriate links. -- Merope 20:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - Seems rather like list cruft to me. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 20:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Or at least add a link to the information and the transcripts to the Just a Minute page. This is useful information for people looking for specific episodes. Most people who have heard a few episodes will ask themselves "what did Peter Jones actually say about utilitarianism? and was it really Peter Jones?" or questions like that. Wikipedia's task is to answer people's questions. I would much rather remove all the hundreds of Simpson episode guides. Mlewan 20:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. We can't keep the links at all -- they violate WP:EL. -- Merope 20:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Could someone explain which part of WP:EL it violates to link to transcripts and lists of episodes? Mlewan 03:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Ok. I see the point. I do not necessarily agree with it, but this is not the place to discuss policies. I stick to my keep anyhow. And if the article were to be deleted, it would be good to have a link to an external episode list, even if we avoid transcripts which are not 100% guaranteed to be 100% legal in all countries. Mlewan 18:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Barely notable radio program may deserve its own article but this is a list of trivia that links to hundreds of copyright violations. This is a banned use of external links per WP:EL and according to that policy these links absolutely must be removed - every one of them - to avoid contributory infringement. Without the links the article is just a useless list. --Charlene 21:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Whatever the merits of this particular page "Just a minute" is not a 'barely notable' radio programme. It's one of the most popular programmes on BBC Radio 4 in the UK, the serious speech network, and has been running for decades. It's actually one of the most notable radio programmes there is along with "I'm sorry I havent' a clue" and has a large and loyal following. Nick mallory 00:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Heard right around the globe, too. Not convinced that we need a list of its episodes, though, so weak delete. Oh and sorry Nick, but I'm going to have to buzz you for repetition of "programmes". Grutness...wha? 00:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
A point for a correct challenge. The subject is "Just a minute radio episodes", you have twenty nine seconds and your time starts..now. Nick mallory 02:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. The "barely notable" above is an insult, see for example how the summary of its rules has passed into common usage in British English. But this article is just listcruft and ten times too big. The author should move it to the tripod site. -- RHaworth 06:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. There are episode guides for every television show under the sun on Wikipedia, sometimes with a separate page for each episode, so I don't see any problem with an episode guide for Just a Minute. If the links are the problem, they can be removed or discussed on the article's talk page, but deleting the article because of them would be throwing out the baby with the bath water. Gengulfus 08:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Episode lists might be useful for shows that tell an ongoing story, but I fail to see any encyclopedic value in a list of panelists and the subjects they talked about on a panel game. JulesH 14:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Wikipedia is not paper. Nothing "barely notable" about Just a Minute. AndyJones 17:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Because I am a glutton for punishment, I am trying to remove all of the external links and wikify some of the subjects. I've noticed that there are appalling spelling errors which can be best explained by someone transcribing the episodes without an understanding of what he or she was hearing (my favorite example is "Hyerotitus" for "Herodotus"). Amusingly, or, well, not, the a number of the links don't work. I googled "Hyerotitus" to find the transcript online, and I see that this page is copied and pasted (and wikified) from [1], for example. My question now is whether this is a copyright violation -- it's text directly lifted and reproduced, though a lot of it is information that isn't subject to copyright, such as the names of the persons in each episode. Any thoughts? I'm back to working on removing the links; only 400 more to go. -- Merope 18:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment I've no real time to review your question, but I would change my vote if this turned out to be a copyvio. AndyJones 19:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.