Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Junior's Dream Bike

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep all — anthony[review] 22:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] American Chopper Bikes

Junior's Dream Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

All of the American Chopper bikes are here on AFD. None are notable. All articles violate WP:ATT and WP:NOR. Delete

  1. Junior's Dream Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  2. POW/MIA Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  3. Mikey's Blues Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  4. Christmas Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  5. Fire Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  6. Comanche Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  7. Cody's Old School Project (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  8. Black Widow Spider Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  9. Lance Armstrong Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  10. NAPA Drag Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  11. New York Jets Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  12. Lincoln Mark LT Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  13. Statue of Liberty Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  14. I, Robot Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  15. Dixie Chopper Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  16. Davis Love III Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  17. Carroll Shelby Bike (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

GreenJoe 19:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep it's not original research just to describe what happened in an episode of a TV series. Any actual original conclusions being drawn can be removed. Maybe merge to one article, I dunno. --W.marsh 20:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Not original research, no - but they certainly don't meet WP:ATT. EliminatorJR Talk 20:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and Redirect into American Chopper. EliminatorJR Talk 20:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep As their original creator. Numerous, numerous television shows have articles for each individual episode. Episodes of American Chopper are literally named after these bikes because that is what the entire episode centers on. If bike models are notable enough for articles and television episodes are notable enough for articles, certainly bike models that are the centerpiece and subject of television episodes are notable enough for articles. Staxringold talkcontribs 21:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all. I don't understand the thinking behind this AfD at all - how can a straightforward (and sourced) description be OR? - iridescenti (talk to me!) 22:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
    • None of the stuff in there is sourced. GreenJoe 22:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
      • But ... wouldn't the episode itself serve as the source? -- Black Falcon 00:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all. The articles are merely photos and a recitation of how each machine came to be, within the context of the show. There are no technical, design or performance details. There are no assertions of notability. If this info has to be kept then a single article listing all the bikes will suffice with the data in its current form. Eddie.willers 00:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep (all) per Staxringold and others. I think this is an invalid nomination. These articles are not original research. I was informed of this AFD on my talk page as being the creator of Junior's Dream Bike, which confuses me, because I did not create it. Most notable TV series have articles on their individual episodes. American Chopper is unique in that they work on a specific bike over the span of a two (or sometimes three) part episode. So articles on the individual bikes are basically the equivalent of an article on an episode. The bikes are (in my opinion) certainly notable, because they are generally built in order to promote something, such as celebrities, corporations, movies, charities (often the theme of an episode is building a bike to promote a specific cause, like Lance Armstrong Foundation). Original research implies creating an argument to promote a position or original thought, NOT simply documenting information presented in a TV series. May need cleanup, but that's not a reason for deletion. Wavy G 07:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge - firstly, the reasons for nomination from checking are wrong - good sources, not original research. Looking through the articles, the fact they are currently all on sperate pages means it difficult to compare different machines. Why not merge them all on to one page, like one would for a series of one-time or bit-part apperance characters on any other TV show? (which is really what they are). I can see what the creators are trying to do with a navigation panel, but in a few years time will all these bikes be notable on their own? Together as part of the show yes, hence suggestion to merge. Rgds, - Trident13 10:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The biggest problem seems to be the lack of references, so I added some references to one of the articles, Mikey's Blues Bike [1]. I used the {{Cite video}} template to do so. --rogerd 13:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I think Rogerd's approach is correct. Where references are needed, the cite video provides at least the bare minimum from the episode itself. And, if the result is merge, could we at least agree there are enough bikes that they might warrant a split-off to List of American Chopper motorcycles or List of motorcycles by Orange County Choppers or something? Staxringold talkcontribs 14:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't be opposed to merging all into a list of OCC bikes. However, with all the images, and all the possible additions, that could be a very big article. Wavy G 17:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • As are most lists of TV show episodes which is what a list of OCC bikes is. Staxringold talkcontribs 11:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • comment If these articles survive the AFD (which at this point I think it will), we should reference all of the other articles and perhaps add some language to make it clear that the articles represent an episode of a TV show. I wouldn't bother until the AFD is concluded, since in the unlikely event they don't survive, it would be wasted effort. --rogerd 18:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all Very notable tv show motorcycle.--Tom Vickery 10:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all If you get rid of these, then you need to get rid of {{ Template:American Chopper }} . Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť(Talk) (Contributions) 19:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all and apply "citation needed" tags for sections that violate WP:NOR and WP:ATT. There should be plenty of reference links out there at the official web site and motorcyle magazine web sites. I find the various motorcycles articles and images fascinating, and a good resource for further study. And I'm not even a motorcycle fan. --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 11:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.