Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julian Fell (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. Sr13 09:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Julian Fell (2nd nomination)

Julian Fell (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Game show winner whose claim to notability is just that, being a champion of a game show. This was previously nominated for deletion in December, one of the "keep" arguments then stated "it doesn't seem unreasonable that the Champions of the game show (55 in 22 years) should have their own articles." I think it is unreasonable to have a Wikipedia article just for winning a series of a gameshow, especially when there have been 55 people who have done it. I have also nominated another game show winner at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Wilson (Countdown) (2nd nomination). Saikokira 02:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete game-show contestants are only article subjects if they're notable for something else, a la Ken Jennings. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Per Ben Wilson, needs indepedant external coverage to assert notibility. Considering all the game shows and all the winners, no way they can be notable. I have played on a kids game show years ago, im totally not notable.--Dacium 04:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Per nom. Can I draw your attention to Ian Bayley, David Edwards, Darryl Francis, Ian Gillies, Stewart Holden, Mark Labbett, Sarah Lang, Ian Lygo, Graham Nash, Mark Nyman, Clive Spate, Ingram Wilcox, Chris Wills and Ian Woodley, all of whose notability are questionable. Andymarczak 12:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment no opinion on Fell or the others, but Mark Nyman should be kept for reasons that are obvious if you read the page. He is to Countdown what Ken Jennings is to Jeopardy. JulesH 17:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as per rems on Ben Wilson above - Fell was one of the others in the record-breaking tournament — iridescenti (talk to me!) 20:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Per nomShindo9Hikaru 23:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. Whilst being the 48th winner is not necessarily all that notable, I agree, but I'm with Iridescenti here. I believe he's a slightly stroger keep than Wilson, his chains of centuries is notable in the history of Countdown probably qualifies as at least marginally notable. Again, just need someone to source it! At least there's a little biographical material... Ohconfucius 06:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Julian Fell broke several records (twice) on a very popular and notable UK gameshow. He got considerable press attention for this at the time. I have cleaned up the article and added two refs. Two to national print newspapers articles (anyone with Lexis or similar can verify them) and also to an article at bbc.co.uk. I've removed some of the excess detail and kept it to the references. I would argue that he is by far one of the most notable winners of the show, and should not merely be seen as 1 of 55. I should declare a COI- the subject of the article is known to me. WjBscribe 01:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.