Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Judith Jacobs

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 21:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC) Note: Non-admin Closure

[edit] Judith Jacobs

Judith Jacobs (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable county politician. Ridernyc (talk) 00:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep county politicians are notable enough to get a category; as head of the legislature, she seems notable. ShivaeVolved 00:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Nassau County is big enough for all of its county commissioners to be considered inherently notable. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 01:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment According to WP:BIO. " * Politicians :Politicians who have held international, national or statewide/provincewide office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislator. Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such a person may be notable for other reasons besides their political careers alone.
nothing about size of the locality. Also statewide seems to be as low as the automatic notability will go. Ridernyc (talk) 01:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Regardless of the category — it's not been tested at XFD nor listed on a policy page as sufficient — there's nothing that makes her automatically notable. Loving County, Texas had 67 people at the last census, and the List of counties in Texas says that all Texas counties have a government of five elected politicians — does this mean that 7.5% of all residents in the county are inherently notable, plus those who have held the office in the past? Or any of them, perhaps the judge, who's elected countywide, just one of the 67, but surely being the chief of a local group of legislators doesn't make one notable. Nyttend (talk) 02:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment Despite the lack of sources, such a prominent person should have plenty of sources available to demonstrate notability, despite not having an inherently notable position. Todd Portune is obviously notable, despite being only a county commissioner (analogous to being a member of a NY county legislature) in Ohio. Provide sources to demonstrate notability, and surely this article would be keepable. Nyttend (talk) 02:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Notability not established within the article, lack of sourcing, WP:V/WP:RS, etc. Cirt (talk) 03:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC).
  • Comment as far sources a google search shows what you would expect, tons of general directory listings, a few listing in random legal documents, and few blogish type people writing about her. Google news get a total of 15 hits, all of the stories are the run of your mill local stories for example "Storm brews over vote for Nassau budget overseer". Ridernyc (talk) 04:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete nothing remotely borderline about this local politician. Falls below the WP:BIO threshold. The county has a duty to post her bio, but the sheer lack of independent sources is a concern. Ohconfucius (talk) 06:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)Weak Keep per Alansohn
  • Weak Keep Highest legislative official in a county of 1.3 million people is a strong claim of notability. Ample sources exist in The New York Times and in other publications, with this Google News Archive Search finding 48 articles. Alansohn (talk) 06:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Blanchardb. WP:BIO acknowledges that exceptions exist to its guidelines. --Goobergunch|? 07:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Current high-ranking elected official in a county of well over 1 million people. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. As stated above by myself and others, we should look into the spirit of the policy stated in WP:BIO for politicians instead of its exact wording. Because if we go strictly by how it is worded, then we must make the illogical conclusion that, while Judith Jacobs must establish her notability in some way other than by being county commissioner, Paul Okalik is inherently notable with maybe 25% of Jacobs's responsibilities. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 00:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per User:Blanchardb (except the bit about WP:IAR - that's just silly). Sarcasticidealist (talk) 11:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.