Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joss Possible

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Minor family members in Kim Possible. Content from the page can be accessed in the page history and merged as necessary. MastCell Talk 04:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joss Possible

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Minor secondary character who is not notable outside of a single episode. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Note, the page Kim Possible contain detailed character profiles and is not an appropriate page to merge with. There is a character list for secondary characters, and a character list for family members, they would be more appropriate targets for merger. It is requested that somebody familiar with the topic and how it is set out on wikipedia conduct and merger. - perfectblue 17:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge and redirect: Quite a minor character that should have the redirect and be merged into the most appropriate article. --Stormbay 03:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Content fork. Minor character that is not notable enough for a separate article. Vassyana 04:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Not a fork, a splitting of a page that was way too large and has since become larger. - perfectblue 17:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into Kim Possible. JodyB talk 11:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete No sources for real world context. The page was created as a fork. One of the character lists already has the necessary information in its history. Instead of merging, that information can just be recovered. Leaving the history in the redirect will leave too much temptation for new users unaware of this discussion to recreate the page. Jay32183 19:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete and merge. Not notable enough for its own article. Realkyhick 20:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • How can we do both? Jay32183 20:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge Yeah merge to Kim Possible--St.daniel Talk 22:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per above. --Phoenix 22:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Kim Possible, or we might as well create some Kim Possible character lists. Lemonflash(t)/(c) 23:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Character lists already exist. Jay32183 01:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Then Delete. Lemonflash(t)/(c) 21:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Delete? Why not merge with the character list? This character is notable enough for inclusion there. - perfectblue 17:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge. One episode is nowhere near enough for even a separate stub page. WAVY 10 16:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: Kim Possible has recently entered into its fourth and final season. As a result, many new characters were added and the page that originally contained Joss Possible became too large and unwieldy. As per standard wiki-guidelines, this sectio was spun off into its own articles. The character was created specifically for a unique plot line, and to fill a role that no existing character could fulfill. She stared in her own episode and underwent significant character development during it. She is therefore notable within the franchise. - perfectblue 17:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Note I have restored the old version of the Joss Possible information on the list of minor family members to show that merging is not necessary, the content already exists on that page, and existed first. In order for the content forks to be allowed by WP:FICT there must be sufficient sources to write a complete article. That means a "concept and creation" section and a "reaction" section. See Link (The Legend of Zelda) for an appropriate character page. Jay32183 17:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Diff link here - perfectblue 19:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
WP:FICT is a guideline suggesting how a page should be laid out. It's not a hard and fast temple for article creation. In reality most fictional character pages are written by fans, not wiki-adept, the don't have a reaction section or concept sections etc, and where they do they are often 90% WP:OR. Go on, take a look, at least this page is written out of universe, many character pages are not. - perfectblue 19:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
That's an argument for deleting other pages, not keeping this one. Wikipedia is not a fan guide. This page is not written out of universe, it does not convey any real world significance. Jay32183 19:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: This line from the Trivia section is NOT going to help anyone's case, because it looks like fancruft inserted to add to the article: "Even though Kim gets most of her looks from her mother Joss looks more like she could be Kim's younger sister." WAVY 10 17:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Possibles just like the stoppables page, I think a slapped page for Granny Possible, Slim, Joss and any others that show up should cover it. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 20:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    • It already exists. This page was split off of it. Jay32183 03:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.