Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josiah Leming

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. If someone decides to recreate this as a redirect, then let me know. Wizardman 16:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Josiah Leming

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Fails WP:MUSIC. Leming was a contestant on American Idol who was eliminated before the semi-finals. We have a very long standing policy on Idol articles. If the person makes the top 12, then they get an article. Otherwise, it gets redirected to the main season article. The only exception is notability outside of the show, which explains how Jordin Sparks had an article before she was even on Idol. It also explains how Joanne Borgella still has an article after elimination (she was a very well known plus sized model plus she had won another reality show). Yes, Leming has appeared on talk shows, but his notability is entirely American Idol related. If he releases a CD and it is successful, that's one thing. But right now, this screams "15 minutes of fame" and it's entirely related to the show. We've seen cases like this before. A "hot" newly eliminated person is an unknown in a year. Just a sidenote. Could someone add the tag which says not to recruit people to vote on this issue? Asking for that because the article has had very heavy anon input, including some "His biggest fan is Katie F!" type postings. I just think it's very susceptible to outside influence. WoohookittyWoohoo! 04:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Wisdom89 (T / C) 05:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Wisdom89 (T / C) 05:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete or merge Per the nom - only claim to fame is in relation to the show American Idol. The info should be transcluded into the appropriate season for the show. Wisdom89 (T / C) 07:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete clearly not notable. Dreamspy (talk) 08:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete or merge Fails WP:MUSIC, at least right now. Quacks Like a Duck (talk) 15:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • A difficult call here, since he did not even make the top 24 he doesn't have a section on the season article (last year it was decided to remove them). Redirecting is a possibility even though it becomes a "ghost redirect" (which was done a lot in past seasons as redirects were done before they even got to the top 24 to prevent premature article creations). As a result, redirect or delete and protect the page. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Didn't even come close to finals and at this point only recognizable by people who watched American Idol (and only those that saw audition/Hollywood rounds at that). Not notable enough for an article. MissMJ (talk) 21:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment It looks like this page was deleted on the 13th, 22nd and 25th of February. I believe that means it qualifies for speedy deletion and then protection. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 10:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Never mind. :) --WoohookittyWoohoo! 10:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain that that criteria only applies to articles which have been deleted multiple times through AfD, not SD. Wisdom89 (T / C) 10:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

No, do please leave it in the work. It's self-agrandising, poorly written, but that's what we expect from Americans, isn't it? Good luck to him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.79.244.150 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. - Shannon Rose (talk) 23:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable at all, and does not meet the standards for WP:MUSIC - Milk's Favorite Cookie 01:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Reluctant Merge. Do not delete it, because we might need the article for later if he has a successful career. icelandic hurricane #12(talk) 15:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
    That's not really a consideration because we can always restore articles. I will say for the people saying "merge" that there is nothing to merge to really. If the article is being deleted as him being not-notable, I don't see how we can add him to the AI7 article when only semi-finalists or finalists get mentions on that page. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 05:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable until he's got something other than a reality show stuck to his name. Nice kid though. :) —97198 talk 13:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't have an opinion on his notability, but am commenting because my name is in the article history. When I saw this article in New Pages, I marked it "patrolled" and kept it because I felt that his fans (who do not seem to be particularly wise to the ways of Wikipedia) should have a chance to create a decent article about him in order to provide a reasonable basis for assessing his notability. Prior to that, this guy's name had been repeatedly added (as a "local notable") to articles for his home town, which are on my watchlist. Based on what little I knew about him, I thought he might qualify as notable. At this time, the article is in pretty good shape, so I think it provides a good basis for evaluation. --Orlady (talk) 23:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Is courting several major labels, therefore notable. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 23:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Josiah Leming has reportedly signed a record deal with Warner Bros. Records - Sources: Rolling Stone [1] and Knoxville News Sentinel [2] User:Steven Roberts (talk) 01:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - Still doesn't mean he passes WP:MUSIC. And if whoever closes this decides it does, then I want everyone who posted here to WL the page. To say it's a target for fancruft is a bit of an understatement. And btw, as an answer to above, "courting major record labels" is not a criteria for WP:MUSIC either. If it was, we would have to include probably every local musician in the world, which would make WP:MUSIC a bit pointless. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 08:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I just noticed this article was up for deletion while supplying an internal link under "See also" for the season 7 AI article. He seems notable enough. He has a substantial underground following and his music is selling and he's been covered by a fair amount of credible media outlets.--Brianbarney (talk) 07:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep The kid has already signed a deal, got a check, and has already bought his dad a new truck. This is now a no brainer and this discussion should be closed. Deepintexas (talk) 08:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
    And none of those things make him inherently notable. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 08:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - notable enough, has a major record deal - why delete? --71.218.199.4 (talk) 05:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


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