Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josh Scogin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 10:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Josh Scogin

A singer in a Christian band, Allmusic knoweth him not and the 350 or so unique Googles are liberally peppered with search engine spammers and web forums, I didn't see any evidence of substantive notability. Everything here could be merged to the band's article (which is small) - with the possible exception of his marital status, which is trivia. This looks to be part of the Southern Baptist walled garden, but I am open to persuasion as always. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 09:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Josh Scogin was ground-breaking for Christian hardcore/metalcore, and easily has the most recognizable voice in the Christian faction of the genre. I guess it would be good if that information were put within his Wikipedia entry, though, right? Anyways, I don't see the necessity to delete his entry simply because many people don't know much about him. However, alot of the information could be merged onto the band page ... but Scogin was not only involved with The Chariot, but the early Norma Jean and Luti-Kriss as well. I personally think that he has earned his place as a vocalist and is worthy of an entry ... however small. That's my opinion. Iffer 05:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete. NN. Just because this guy might have played with a guy who then later was in "somewhat known" group that alone does not make him notable. Not enough google hits no proof of record sales about 5,000. Arbustoo 09:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep. I guess I forgot to make my opinion known. Maybe I wasn't clear ... he didn't play with a guy who became known, he is the guy I'm speaking of. I can't quite understand your last sentence, but that's of no consequence. Iffer 16:24, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. He's a member of a band that barely scrapes WP:MUSIC, and I don't see anything about him that can't be mentioned on The Chariot. Furthermore, content on Wikipedia is required to be verifiable. There are currently no reliable sources cited on the article. I'm open to change on this, though. Stifle 10:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep. What if rather than deleting the entry, verifiable biographic information was added? Also, how do we decide whether is influential enough to warrant his own wiki? As his influence is relative depending on who you are talking to, gauging it can be hard. For instance, to metalcore/hardcore listeners he is extremely well known, and his work has had a huge influence on the sound of both those genres. However, the average person would probably not even know that metalcore existed, much less who was or wasn't influential in its history. To note, Norma Jean has sold well over 5,000 records.

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