Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josh Piscura

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete --Bubba hotep 21:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Josh Piscura

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Contested prod. Non notable independent wrestler, no evidendce of independent reliable sources, and fails WP:BIO even if there were One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Little evidence of notability, no reliable sources. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 20:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - quick Google search. IMDB entry. Book on Amazon. DVDs in the wrestling section. Therefore, I guess notability is there - even if I personally think that wrestling is not ;-) However, I think he passes WP:Bio. HagenUK 20:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
  • From WP:BIO: "has been the subject of secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." The fact that he has written books and been in some DVDs does not automatically establish notability. Have his books/DVDs been reviewed? Has anyone other than IMDB written a bio for him? The IMDB bio was written by "Josh", so he might have written it himself. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 22:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Yes, I see what you are saying and this is actually a pretty tough call. Josh is all over the place, but not in any major source. However, I give him the benefit of the doubt and think that he is notable enough to pass WP:Bio just by the skin of his teeth. However, I totally understand the nomination and why you support it. It is a close call. HagenUK 19:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
    • But has he been the subject of any source besides the possibly self-written IMDB bio? Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 18:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Saying his book is slightly incorrect, it's a book in which he's briefly quoted twice according to this. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 17:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, WjBscribe 19:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. He's wrestled for several notable independent promotions including Combat Zone Wrestling, Pro Wrestling Guerrilla, UWA Hardcore Wrestling, Xtreme Pro Wrestling and the Insane Clown Posse's Juggalo Championshit Wrestling (having appeared on their videogame Backyard Wrestling: Don't Try This at Home). He's also been in feuds with Sterling James Keenan and Jerry Lynn during his career and, most recently, he was listed #254 in the PWI 500 in 2004. MadMax 06:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Additionaly, with exception to his official and MySpace pages, he has profiles at Obsessed with wrestling, The Slam Report, The Dojo of Wrestling Truth and has been featured in a news article by the Akron Beacon Journal [1].

• Comment OWW is nothing more than a glorified fan site, and as this link proves it isn't a reliable or independent source for indy wrestlers. The other links (one of which is a blog!) do not contain enough information for an encyclopedic article to be created. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.