Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Pisani

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus. Deathphoenix ʕ 15:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Pisani

Delete per Vanity, not notable. --mtz206 13:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep As having a vested interest in this article, specifically, the writer, I do not agree. Notablity is first of all subject to opinion, and there are also two media sources listed for the article, which would seem to contradict the not notable claim. Vegalo 13:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

artist is listed on first page, listing number 6 of google [1] and he will soon be recognized by the US Embassy consular office in Zurich - council woman, Mrs. Bruckmann will soon give a speech on his behalf at an upcoming exhibtion this fall. Vegalo 14:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment This is was Vegalo's second keep vote on this article. until Vegalo moved it to here. Metros232 14:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

comment sorry about voting twice, I was just addressing comments that had followed afterwards, have now moved all into the same vote. Vegalo 14:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment:"will soon be recognised" is merely a promise of a degree of notability. It's not notability until it has happened. --BrownHairedGirl 14:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

comment have taken into account the arguments presented and have tried to edit the article accordingly. Thanks for your help in instructing a newbie here.Vegalo 15:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep as there is some sourced notability and this seems to be a relatively established artist. However this article needs a complete rewrite - as it stands it is advertising and highly WP:POV. I'm adding some tags in case it passes AfD. Gwernol 13:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete Seems to fit the aspiring artist pattern, who has gotten the occasional article but not much acclaim yet. Not that many Google hits for the name, and most seem to be for other people of the same name ([2]). Fan1967 14:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete per Fan1967. Website offers 3 press articles, all in German. No notability expressed by article, just talks about his style/influences, nothing concrete. Metros232 14:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom - Glen ^T_C (Stollery) 14:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep despite my comment above, and despite the article's author doing his case no favours. I think that WP:BITE applies here: Vegalo has only been a user for a day or two, and the article falls a bit short of WP's quality standards, but I think that the artist is notable, and that the author needs assistance in bringing it up to standard. For example http://www.123soho.com/artgroup/jesus_2000/jesus26.htm offers enough information to allow an easy and clear assertion of notability in the first para.
  Anyway, there are gazillions of fancruft articles here on minor characters from obscure video games, so surely we van find room for a prolific artist and businessman who may not be the next Picasso, but appears to have had a very successful career? --BrownHairedGirl 14:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Now that the article has been rewritten, and specifically now that the text copied-and-pasted from the artist's homepage has been replaced by what I assume is original writing, I see no reason to delete it; three press articles are three press articles, regardless of their language. — Haeleth Talk 15:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete without meaning to bite. Reads like a short glossy mag article, verging on an advert, and not an encyclopedia entry. If you removed unencyclopedic/POV material from this article there would be almost nothing left. Robin Johnson 15:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The article doesn't mention significant exhibitions where the Pisani is the focus or a notable contributor; there are no press reviews or critical appraisals of Pisani's work quoted in order to guage his notability amongst his peers or in his tradition of artistic expression. cleanup the purple prose and add some of the above content to make this article useful for a researcher.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  15:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• comment did lots to update and increase the value of this article in according to aeropagitica's comments.62.202.65.206 16:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• There is still not much in the article to warrant retention - Pisani has visited lots of US states, visited and painted in Prague, married a Swiss woman and discovered SCUBA diving - any critical appraisals available to be quoted?  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  17:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. I don't really follow the art world, but it seems that he is a notable, if minor, artist. With a little cleanup and some beefing up, I'd strengthen my opinion. -- stubblyhead | ^T/_c 19:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• comment found some more places where some of Pisani exhibtions are listed from additional sources (other than his own website): [3] [4] [5] [6] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.79.186.200 (talk • contribs)

• comment the babelfish translation from an online newspaper article about Pisani German article found here gives some more insight to the artist and possibly arguments for notabilty as well (in response to aeropagita's comments):

(According to babelfish:)If the sun becomes the carpet if concerning a layman modern art momentarily by the window of the gallery Steinegger in Ruedlingen looks, it becomes perhaps in the pictures issued there first only circles, lines, strips or squares in strong colors to recognize. In it hidden are however everyday impressions and memories of journeys. The pictures, which from New Yorker artist comes the Joseph Pisani, are issued under the title "The Trials and Misdemeanors OF Life on the Road". The Vernissage took place on Friday. Pisani was born in New York and took after some travel in Switzerland domicile. Its work - abstract expressionistische painting - is to energize the viewer for thinking and to the closer Hinsehen. A picture, in which among other things a broad red strip and a teppichfoermiges object are to be seen, is called "The View from My Bungalow". "I lived a time long in Egypt. The red strip stands for the Red Sea, and the sun has here the form of an eastern carpet ", explains Pisani. Everyone sees something else as proceeds it when painting - does it have a conception of its next work already before painting? "if I to paint begin, mix I first colors, like it me straight please - to know without, what from it" Pisani becomes, says. "short before the picture is finished, comes the brainstorm: Well clearly, those are the colored seas of the Indonesian island Flores!" How can the untrained viewer open the meaning of the forms and colors? "the titles are to help thereby", mean Pisani, "and the longer one a picture regarded, the more recognize one - however everyone sees something else in the pictures." Author: Vera Huotelin, Schaffhauser Nachrichten Newspaper, Switzerland --Vegalo 10:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

• comment, question- is this guy in the us air force art museum? seems maybe so, but would have to be older work since the styles are much differnt. [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.79.186.200 (talk • contribs)
• Delete Restore it when he becomes notable. Runcorn 21:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.