Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jorge Reinoza

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, fails to meet WP:BIO Dreadstar † 04:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jorge Reinoza

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Because it was created by user Reinoza, this article drew the suspicions of our WP:COI bot. Extremely minor, non-notable artist. No third-party WP:RS. Claims to have achieved notability through a "spiritual experience." You'll have to read this one to believe anybody would actually post such a thing, complete with copies of the non-notable paintings. Qworty (talk) 08:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete WP:AUTO. No assertion of notability. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 13:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. – David Eppstein (talk) 15:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, The artist is notable but the article need alot of work done on it.. The artist's statement needs to be removed and only the verifiable facts should be included since it was written by the artist himself. Callelinea (talk) 03:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per reasons listed above. Also, article appears to be extensively edited by the subject. Tnxman307 (talk) 15:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete: awards and museum presence not even borderline for visual artist notability. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 03:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - from WP:BIO:
    The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors. No, not without substantial manipulation of the word "peers"
    The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique. No. "People have souls and it is that which I wish to paint" is hardly groundbreaking.
    The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. No book, no film, and absolutely zilch on Google Books, Scholar, or Web - not the ultimate test, but very telling, especially for an artist whose artwork was entirely created in the 21st century.
    The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries, museums or significant libraries. The most significant monument seems to be this article. The most significant exhibition is the Galeria Claudia, which from what I can gather on Google seems to be a local "hole in the wall", a step down from a local suburban civic center. No significant critical attention (see previous paragraph). No permanant display beyond "CSIM-303 A Street", which doesn't seem to be mentioned as such anywhere outside this article.
Ergo, delete as failure to meet the notability critera. --Badger Drink (talk) 23:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • 'Keep'It Looks like people do not google very well. Jorge Reinoza did not write this article. Reinoza is a project. We, Seven students from France, we are trying to let our countries in the Uropean Community to know about new American artist. We copy and paste from Reinoza.com (so, the intention of the web page was not to be in Wikepedia. We are creating www.reinoza.com has a part of our project) Us, the students, call ourselves "The dreamer team". We created Reinoza from thedreamerteam@gmail.com. It looks like the previous writers did not google "Museo de Arte Contemporaneo Alejandro Otero" in Caracas. http://www.maccsi.org/ It works directly with MOMA. We, the students, we are really learning the way that Wikepedia and all kind of searchers work. If you need our names, do not hesitate to ask for them. Thank you, and sorry for our English, at least we consider that we express better than Miss North Carolina, an artist under the previous critical points of views because Shes was exposed in National T.V."The person is regarded as an important figure: Nobody need to be important to be an artist: Look at the case of Van Gogh that did not sell any painting, and was inside an asylum. (Was Van Gogh an artist?) What about the case of Marcel Duchamp. Is Duchamp an artist?

ART lacks a satisfactory definition. It is easier to describe it as the way something is done -- "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others" (Britannica Online)

Artist

noun a person whose creative work shows sensitivity and imagination

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.

This is a definition of Art from Britannica: ART lacks a satisfactory definition. It is easier to describe it as the way something is done -- "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others" (Britannica Online)

A definition of Artist from Princenton.edu: artist, creative person (a person whose creative work shows sensitivity and imagination) People does not need to be famous to be consider an artist. Remember: << 1 Corinthians 3:13 >> New American Standard Bible (©1995) each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. King James Bible Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Thank you (The Dreamer Team) thedreamerteam@gmail.com(User talk:Reinoza) 07:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment -- since the AfD has started--and largely through the contributions of the article subject--the article has become much less encyclopedic and much worse; recommend blanking or reverting to the AfD state immediately, regardless of the outcome of the discussion. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 07:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I also removed the opinion spam added to this AfD, but found on the article. See history for more info. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 07:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment -- Dear Myke Cuthbert" You wrote: awards and museum presence not even borderline for visual artist notability. In France we understand they are important museums and artists all around the World.We a sorry if your vision is xenophobic. Now we understand a lot of the American system. It is a big lesson. We really want this article to be deleted thedreamerteam@gmail.com(User talk:Reinoza) 01:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. The aritcle's author has now admitted, in the article itself, that the article's purpose is "to promote new Latin American artist in Europe using public and new technologies." I ask the user to read WP:SOAP. And no, this is not an American guideline. It is an INTERNATIONAL wikipedia guideline, and applies to the French Wikipedia as well. Qworty (talk) 18:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikepedia is trying to push itself as a public dictionary with an amazing marketing strategy. It is normal for any student that works in the XXI century to believe that it is public, like all the comments against wonderful museums and exhibitions that the users have no idea about. For our system education (In Europe in general) ethnocentrism and stereotypes are not valid: Ethnocentrim is Viewing other peoples and cultures from the standard of one's own cultural assumptions, customs, and values. You assume that American culture and American companies are the guideline of International standards. We have a big fight with Microsoft in Europe because the same problems. We really are happy because we are learning. We do not want to hurt our professor and his reputation. The idea of Wikepedia was ours We apologize again because we are learning. We are students. When we wrote "to promote new Latin American artist in Europe", we mean, to let Europe to know the existance of new wonderful artist from this side of the world. WE are from Paris, the most important artistic city in all the world, and you cannnot deny that. We learn from our classes that everything in America is politically correct, and people has to live with misunderstandings or misinterpretations. WE had in our plans to promote 10 New American Artist. The dreamer project is a big project. After this experience, we decided to write to the media in France to let then know the way that wikepedia works and the opinion of the experts in Art from wikepedia and America. Thank you! thedreamerteam@gmail.com(User talk:Reinoza) 01:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

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