Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Tyler
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. --Coredesat 03:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jordan Tyler
I came across this article in response to a request for copyediting. I looked for more info on the subejct with a Google search and found only the subject's my space page, from which this article is substantially copied. I can find no indication of notability or verifiable info outside of the said page. killing sparrows 01:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- speedy delete as a blatent copyright infringment, adn so tagged. If not speedy deleted, delete as not notable. DES (talk) 04:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Question Myspace pages are almost always written by the subject of the article, and are intended as personal publicity. I would not delete an article copied from one a a speedy without first asking if there was permission. DGG 04:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. I also doubt that copying from a Myspace profile really counts as copyvio (is it even copyrighted in the first place?). Rockstar (T/C) 05:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Response There is no assertion of permission, and no indication that the uploader is the subject. If the editor who created this can obtain permission (which would need to include a full GFDL release, and communicate it to teh foundation's permissions departmetn, s/he is free to recreate. Current WP:CSD says delete in such a case. And yes, myspece pages are copyrighted, jsut as almost all written work is, unless the author specifically and explicitly relases to the public domain. No copyright notice is needed. See WP:Copyright and Copyright. DES (talk) 06:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Okay. Rockstar (T/C) 06:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Per our copyvio policy, shouldn't the copyrighted material be removed and a {{copyvio}} template added? Rockstar (T/C) 04:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- I thought it was blatent enough for a speedy instead. Since that was reverted, i have tagged as a copyvio and listed on the copyright problems page. DES (talk) 21:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Note that our policy says:"Posting copyrighted material without the express permission of the copyright holder is a violation of applicable law and of Wikipedia policy." (my bold). we don't assume permisison or leave a copyvio in place while we ask if there is permisison, we either speedy or hide the infringing text behind a copyvio tag first. DES (talk) 21:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know. That's what I said and that's what you did. I'm confused about what the problem is... Rockstar (T/C) 22:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think there is one, now. i tag the article for speedy-delete as a copyvio. Someone else removed that tag, apparently because this AfD was in progress, buit without butting on the {{copyvio}} tag. I saw this, and, rather than fight over the speedy tag, put on the copyvio tag. No further problem. Earlier your thought that "I also doubt that copying from a Myspace profile really counts as copyvio" could have been a problem, but wasn't after the policy was explained. Now we must either decide to delete, or decide to keep and rewrite the article so it isn't a copyvio, or decide to keep and get permission from the author of the text on the myspacepage to release it unde the GFDL. Whether we keep or not will depend largely on notability I would think, guided by WP:MUSIC. DES (talk) 19:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Ha! I see the issue now. My bad, I forgot to respond to my own comment. I did some research, only to learn that anything written is copyrighted. So what you did is good (though I don't know why someone removed the db tag, as article can still be speedied if an AfD is going on), and I'm adding my vote below. Rockstar (T/C) 19:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think there is one, now. i tag the article for speedy-delete as a copyvio. Someone else removed that tag, apparently because this AfD was in progress, buit without butting on the {{copyvio}} tag. I saw this, and, rather than fight over the speedy tag, put on the copyvio tag. No further problem. Earlier your thought that "I also doubt that copying from a Myspace profile really counts as copyvio" could have been a problem, but wasn't after the policy was explained. Now we must either decide to delete, or decide to keep and rewrite the article so it isn't a copyvio, or decide to keep and get permission from the author of the text on the myspacepage to release it unde the GFDL. Whether we keep or not will depend largely on notability I would think, guided by WP:MUSIC. DES (talk) 19:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know. That's what I said and that's what you did. I'm confused about what the problem is... Rockstar (T/C) 22:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Per our copyvio policy, shouldn't the copyrighted material be removed and a {{copyvio}} template added? Rockstar (T/C) 04:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- Okay. Rockstar (T/C) 06:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Response There is no assertion of permission, and no indication that the uploader is the subject. If the editor who created this can obtain permission (which would need to include a full GFDL release, and communicate it to teh foundation's permissions departmetn, s/he is free to recreate. Current WP:CSD says delete in such a case. And yes, myspece pages are copyrighted, jsut as almost all written work is, unless the author specifically and explicitly relases to the public domain. No copyright notice is needed. See WP:Copyright and Copyright. DES (talk) 06:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. I also doubt that copying from a Myspace profile really counts as copyvio (is it even copyrighted in the first place?). Rockstar (T/C) 05:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete without prejudice. If it's true that he had a song on The Real World: Austin, then he might satisfy WP:MUSIC under criteria #9. However, even if the song occurred, per criteria #9, I'm not convinced that the subject is notable enough for his own article. Rockstar (T/C) 05:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete due to lack of notability and sourcing. --RaiderAspect 04:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:MUSIC and the discussion above. Rockstar (T/C) 19:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
