Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonny N' The Greaserz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy delete A7 by User:Jonny-mt. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 15:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jonny N' The Greaserz

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I assert that this is a non-notable band and should be deleted on per WP:MUSIC Torchwood Who? (talk) 09:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

• Rebuttal

Non-notable? That sir is an insult to the people of Northern Indiana! Jonny N' the Greaserz has an expansive street team and they have made the band known throughout the region. Places have been asking to book them for months now, but seeing as they recently lost their drummer shows have been impossible. A wikipedia page is but a small step towards widening the influence of Jonny N' the Greaserz on the underground scene.

I have seen second rate hacks and full out fakes get wikipedia articles but The Greaserz get shafted just because you haven't heard of them? that seems very close minded of you.

If CCCP Fedeli alla linea can get a wikipedia article why no Jonny N' the Greaserz?

Rebutting the Rebuttal This is no slight to the people of Northern Indiana. I've seen an on-going misconception amongst several groups, including those writing about musicians, that Wikipedia is some kind of stepping stone to greater awareness. This kind of thinking is actually contrary to the nature of wikipedia. A wikipedia article shouldn't be thought of as a status symbol or a means to attract more support for a group, company, person or idea. A wikipedia article is meant to educate the populous about subjects deemed worthy by community consensus guidelines, such as WP:MUSIC. To quote you "A wikipedia page is but a small step towards widening the influence of Jonny N' the Greaserz on the underground scene". This comment in itself shows that you are trying to use wikipedia as some kind of launching pad for the group and that type of reasoning is not productive when considering the scope of the wikipedia project. If this band achieves a level of notability that meets with the standards of the community I'm sure that one day it will have a wikipedia article, but for now I'd have to contend that this group is in no way historically significant. Just to be clear, a deletion here does not mean that the band is NEVER going to have a wikipedia article, it just means the time is not right for them.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 12:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete asserts its lack of notability. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:MUSIC and does not have reliable sources. To the person who posted the rebuttal above, you're using the old If "X" has an article, then "Y" should too argument, which really isn't a solid argument for a keep. Bring in some reliable sources (from a major magazine, paper, website, whatever) or prove they pass one of the criterion of WP:MUSIC (which they don't seem to right now). 12:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 12:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.