Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Wilderspin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Petros471 14:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Wilderspin

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Semi-professional organist. Main job is a (chemistry?) teacher at a secondary school. Not notable. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Venables for previous bundled discussion, result: no consensus. Clavecin 18:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete A7 CitiCat 20:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll drop to Delete, but I still haven't seen anyone point out anything that meets WP:BIO CitiCat 00:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• Weak delete Obviously not a speedy--notability is very clearly asserted-- But its he notable in the WP sense? At the previous AfD I commented with respect to him "s a performer and an organizer. I'd support a keep only if real sources or reviews could be found" I checked again and the best i could find was local newspapers on google,, with only one substantial review: [1]. DGG 00:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep He is a notable organist, non amateur. He has plenty of independent, reliable reviews. The page also has independent, reliable sources. The page also has an example of a recital he has done. The page shows how significant he is in the area. He does a lot (he has been actively involved in music making in and around the Worcester area...... etc), and so is notable. Here is a review: [2]. Please see Wilderspin is notable. Dewarw 17:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
• This [3] shows how the subject premiered a new piece by a notable composer. The page indicates this, as well as other performances he has made in the area. This [4] shows how he has been involved in choirs (look to second page). Please see the subject does fulfil WP:BIO.Dewarw 19:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Hmmmm here is another [5]. I and others seem to be able to find many of these, proving notability. There is also the RGSW Organ Recital series; he has performed in all of these so far.Dewarw 19:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep This page is definitely not a "speedy delete page. Having read it, it is clear that the subject is notable and "of importance in the area." The fact that it is related to the Ian Venables page should not be an issue here. However, the page does suggest a connection between them- more evidence showing how the subject is notable. It seems that the only reason this page was earmarked in the first place was due to its connection and "praise" for Ian Venables' work. However, that page has been kept, so the same can no longer apply. The only other reason given was that the subject was an "amateur." However, this was found not to be the case, so the page should definitely remain. 81.158.2.82 17:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Obvious Delete Yet again, this debate is dominated by the original creator of the page: Dewarw and an IP address which is likely him (to spam the debate with positive opinions): Special:Contributions/81.158.2.82 shows that this IP has only been used to edit Ian Venables, Dewarw's favourite topic, and related things. So bear in mind, all the supportive comment above has been from the creator of the page. Wilderspin is a semi-professional organist, who performs occasionally in local concerts and concert series (all the reviews are local newspapers, hardly material to prove notability). This is not notable (in the Wikipedia sense) behaviour for a musician. All professional musicians and many amateurs do what he has done. He is not the regular organist of a notable church or cathedral, nor is he the regular conductor of a notable choir or orchestra. He has premiered something by Ian Venables, a composer of borderline notability who works at the same secondary school as Wilderspin (both of whom teach subjects other than music at the school, from their entries on Wikipedia, the same school which the creator of both articles attends). This is hardly notable. I am surprised Ian Venables was not deleted but for this to remain would be absurd. Clavecin 02:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment You cannot assume that the IP address is the same as Dewarw. Besides, multiple IP addresses do not prove that they are multiple users, as people can have/use more than one computer. Newspapers articles prove notability, even if they are local. There are many people on Wiki who I have never heard of, simply because they are in a different area. This does not stop them being notable however. The fact that John Wilderspin is a performer and musician with reviews makes him notable! Therefore, obvious keep. The fact that relatively few people are in this debate can be explained by the fact that the page is relatively new. This should not be an issue here! Dewarw 17:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment 2 The "Special:Contributions/81.158.2.82 " page reveals that in fact, the user has done many different things- Wilderspin and Ian Venables being minor! This "evidence" should therefore be ignored! Dewarw 17:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Keep John Wilderspin is very famous. I'm a vicar from Florida and i've heard of his organ playing. It's on a CD i recorded at home. How can you delete such a good musician? 84.68.170.87 19:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep John Wilderspin is not just a musician he is also working towards publishing a complete set of pictures of all of the churches in England. This is the first person to create a complete set. I think that this page should be kept AND this should be added to it.
• Delete Fails WP:N. Seems some possible single purpose accounts and possible puppetry at work in this AFD. Russeasby 11:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.