Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Stevens (singer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus defaults to keep. No Guru 04:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Stevens (singer)

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Eliminated contestant on Idol 3. Dropped by Madonna's record label (Maverick) when his recorded was greeted by appalling sales (but apparently a top 10 hit on the Jazz chart, he has since gone back to school, so I wouldn't expect to hear from him again for a few years. Delete per wikipedia is not a directory of ex-Idol contestants. Ohconfucius 08:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• KeepMaverick Records releases are distributed through Warner Bros. Records, which is a major label. I'd say that a major label release in addition to, yes, his advancing deep into the competition on a wildly popular television show, makes him notable. --Djrobgordon 09:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

• He was dropped after one poor selling record, whilst WP:MUSIC requires "two or more albums on a major label". He does not appear to pass any other such notability criteria. Ohconfucius 01:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: WP:MUSIC also includes "Has had a charted hit on any national music chart.", which (if verified) has been met. Neier 05:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: regardless or not whether the "Jazz chart" falls within the commomly accepted definition of "national charting" per WP:MUSIC, the information remains unsourced and unsubstantiated. Ohconfucius 09:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - If the decision is to delete, this could be used as a redirect to Jon Stevens. Grutness...wha? 10:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete pending references The problem I have with the article is it doesn't provide the multiple, independently published non-trivial articles/interviews described in WP:BIO to establish proper notability of the subject. I'll reconsider my delete recommendation if those are provided. Dugwiki 17:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, unless verifiable second party sources are added by end of this AfD Alf^Photoman 19:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems like you are just trying delete american idol references.

Not really, just references to unreferenced AI articles Alf^Photoman 22:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Aldine above. I've voted to keep a few of the Idol related articles, namely ones that had sufficient references to meet notability. This article, unfortunately, doesn't meet that minimal standard at the moment. Dugwiki 16:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Keep - wikipedia is big enough for this now, a true encyclopedia. And as per Djrobgordon above cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 01:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Keep, because 1) deletionism is ruining Wikipedia and 2) American Idol has such a large fan base, people are likely to be interested in all of the contestants. Let's not turn away readers of the site, just because select individuals don't care about some information. If anyone out there is interested and the article is factual, keep it. If you don't like it, read something else, but don't ruin things for the rest of us. Best, --164.107.223.217 06:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, per Alf (needs verifiable second party sources for a keep) - Aagtbdfoua 00:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Because I haven't read any good reasons not to as this is an incredibly highly rated show and anyone who makes it to the final group has widespread name recognition. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 02:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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