Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Stember

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 11:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Stember

John Stember (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

You can search his name in any of the items below to confirm the validity of his claims.

http://movies2.nytimes.com/mem/movies/review.html?res=9A05E3DB163DEF34BC4D52DFB667838A669EDE http://imdb.com/title/tt0807065/ http://www.amazon.fr/Te-Hine-Manea-Polyn%C3%A9siennes-fran%C3%A7ais-anglais/dp/2909790320 http://www.fashion-planet.com/sept98/features/sephorarocks/sephora.html http://www.search.com/reference/Gia_Carangi http://www.vickimarch.com/clients/marchv/pages/experience.shtml http://www.tahitiphilatelie.pf/details_timbres.php?annee=2007&id=152&chglangue=us http://www.answers.com/topic/carey-lowell

• Comment: Great, but that's just a laundry list of long lists of photographers amongst which he is mentioned, a production he was in, and so forth. We get (and do not dispute) that the guy exists. We dispute that he is a notable photographer. Our advice is to demonstrate how Mr. Stember fulfills the criteria of WP:BIO, especially the following pertaining to "creative" individuals:

* The person has received notable awards or honors.

* The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.

* The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.

* The person has created a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.

* The person's work either (a) has been displayed in a significant exhibition or as a monument (b) has won significant critical attention, or (c) is represented within the permanent collection of a significant gallery or museum of more than local significance.

Until that happens -- and even IF that happens, this is still going to be a vanity article that could fail to pass muster on that ground alone -- Calton's characterization of the subject as a "journeyman" photographer looks spot on. RGTraynor 19:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Blatant self-promotion / advertising. Prolific name dropping but are there actually any links to anything that references the guy? -- RHaworth 07:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you try checking: www.google.com / www.imdb.com / www.johnstember.com / or contact any of the people mentioned for references. We are not trying to promote but simply inform which is what we believe an encyclopedia is for unless you think otherwise. We have taken exactly the same format as used on many other pages including john's ex-wife's carey lowell. if your response is so negative why don't you try offering some advice ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Stember (talk • contribs) 08:09, March 19, 2007

Well, Carey Lowell is actually famous, what with starring in movies and TV shows and all. Oh, and establishing bona fides isn't our job, it's yours. --Calton | Talk 09:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, unless something other than name-dropping backs things up, and perhaps not even then, since the CV looks like a journeyman fashion photographer CV. --Calton | Talk 09:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as NN. A directed Google search excluding Wiki mirrors and his personal website turns up just 26 hits [1]. Plainly he was a photographer, but just as plainly not all that many people noticed. Article also violates WP:COI, given that User:John Stember is the creator. RGTraynor 17:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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