Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Duran

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Waltontalk 14:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Duran

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Extensive gsearch does not reveal notability. External links in article do not show notability. Claim of notability in article, but not backed up with sources. Article was previously prodded for lack of notability and has been recreated. Kathy A. 16:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Research DOES show notability, google search under "John A. Duran" reveals numerous patent links, additionally see link with SEC filling for sale of multimillion dollar aerospace company (and stock offer because of purchase) lisitng Duran as partial owner, also please verify with printed material (Hispanic Magazine Buiness Leaders 2003, Glendorian Magazine for July/August 2007), Duran also listed continually in several charity listings for substanstantial donations ($100k+) annually...KEEP. Bruce12 16:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Weak keep as an inventor. Patents have to be exploited to mean anything--numbers alone aren't enough for it's common to patent every conceivable variation. But from his position I would assume that many of they have been. I don't think he qualifies asa philanthropist for these relatively modest sums. I think it would have to be amounts large enough for newspaper attention, not just the charity's websites. Articles about him are claimed in business and trade journals--have they been found? The Glendorian is "A local magazine serving the city of Glendora, a city close to Los Angeles." I don't think that qualifies as a RS for notability I wonder what he did at Boeing to justify that he "was also an intricate figure at the Boeing Company." DGG 22:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

KEEP Agreed that anyone can patent anything without justification/reason however all patents are thru respective company's and all products are still being sold see www.avibank.com thus I would argue that all patents both USA and International are notable being that all are still being used/marketed and for various applications some being aircraft-critical. $500,000 to the MS Society and more then $75,000 annually, $50,000 to the Nancy Davis Race to Erase MS yearly, along with donations of $25,000 to $100,000 to other various charities and recognition at various hospitals/structures for such donations seems notable enough. I'm not sure how much would warrent a newspapers attention, $1 million? $50 million? Articles cited in trade journals have been found, such as in Aerospace Magazine among others, also Hispanic Magazine (Business Side). Article in Glendorian Magazine is comprehensive and covers all above patents/business/life topics.. Not sure what more information is needed to justify notability, please advise Bruce12 02:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Weak delete The Google search for "John A. Duran" does not turn up very many hits, and many if not most of them are for other people than the subject of the article, unless he fought in the Korean war as a pre-teenager. As for the patents, most patents are never turned into commercial applications. References are needed to show his inventions had an impact on society. Looking at the Avibank website is not a substitute for adding references to the article. Perhaps the article can be improved duting the 5 day AFD period to demonstrate notability and satisfy WP:A and WP:BIO. Edison 13:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep re-affirmed I agree with the comment "As for the patents, most patents are never turned into commercial applications" however we can verifiably prove that all patents where used for actual commerical/industrial/military applications and most (if not all) are still in use today. Remember these patents are over 40 years of working at one company and thus continual invention and re-invention is needed because patents expire (with the exception of those classified as secret), it was because of this invention/re-invention that led to his success and the overall success of the company, also keep in mind that to properly submitted patent (a competitive patent with multiple claims) for a mechanical device costs upwards of $5,000 including patent attorney fees, a company will not invest $5,000+ on patents/products it feels will not be viable and thus all patented products where produced. I provided the before mentioned link as proof of continual marketing/manufacturing. As for the other comment of "references are needed to show his inventions had an impact on society" I believe this ties back to notability of said products in the aerospace and automotive circle of products, this person was a research project for myself and I have numerous trade journals detailing various notabile patents and their uses. Keep in mind that this devices range from panel-fasteners (what holds the skin of the airplane on) to latches (to locking devices on exterior panels for instance) to struts, to pins, etc, etc... It was Duran's designs that keep rotor blades attached on BlackHawk and SeaKing helicopters, it is Durans design that attaches the skin of the F22 and B2 and other stealth aircraft to its frame (so shall we argue that stealth aircraft are not notable or that they have not had an impact on our society? Their ability to defy radar is largely due to Durans panel fastener designs). To continue on with my argument; it is Durans design that keeps the nose of the Boeing 767 & 777 attached. It is Durans design that keeps the International Space Stations solar-array attached and easily extendable when installing, it is Durans design that allows for quick installation or removal of wheelchair hubs (wheels) with a ball-lock pin, it was Duran who pioneered the Ball-Lok/Ball-Lock pin as we know it, it is Duran that designed the struts and panel fasteners of the Atlas rockets which transport everything from weather satelites to spy satalites... I can literally go on and on about the mans impact on all these things and I truly believe that these things in-turn have impacted everyone for the shear fact that we wouldnt have many of the things we have today without his ingenuity and creativity. Please tell me what I need to write or say or do to legitimize his existance in this encylopedia of knowledge. Bruce12 04:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. An editor who has information on all these patents must also know about technical publications by Mr Duran. The article has no main-line press or journal references, so lacks proof of his notability. Note the statement "He is often written about, in various trade magazines and business journals". He has been included in Category:American billionaires. You don't get to be a billionaire without a lot of press coverage. Where is it? I didn't find him mentioned in the Wall Street Journal. EdJohnston 05:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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