Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John D'Agostino

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus, kept. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 16:46, Dec. 23, 2005

[edit] John D'Agostino

Was listed for speedy as: {{deletebecause|it's about a fifth-place finisher with no other notable achievements such as a book or a magazine column, and it includes a section of poker jargon meaningless to the average reader ("a bad beat led to his pocket 10's losing to trip 7's")}}.

That's not a valid criterion for speedy deletion, and it claims notability so can't {{nn-bio}} either. So listing here for a vote. Recommend delete as NN. Jamie 08:16, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

This is certainly an article that is likely to grow. What would be better is adding an {{expand}} tag to add things such as his invitation to the WPT Young Guns event. The poker jargon can be removed - that sentance in itself is not criteria to delete the entire article. If it was then perhaps Andrew Black should go as well. There are certainly worse articles on poker players - Paul Cherry and Ray Zee come to mind. Quite besides this, the argument that he's just a 5th place finisher is incorrect, as the article clearly states he has also finished 4th in the Borgata WPT event. Strong keep. Essexmutant 09:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep per above. -- JJay 17:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete.Gateman1997 19:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - I've heard of him, and I don't follow competitive poker. --- Charles Stewart 20:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I seem to recall reading about him in the NYT, and he was unusually yuoung for a professional poker player. I tried to check this on google, but was buried with accounts of poker tournaments. --- Charles Stewart 20:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Delete He placed 5th/4th whatever, how is that notable? Brimba 21:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Multiple WPT final tables. Also final table of US Poker Championships. He is also a strong cash game player. Essexmutant 21:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • He's twice been on the final table at WPT contests, and he's made over $349,000 at one tournament. He's not the top-rated poker player around today, but given his age, and the fact he's been a professional play for less than two years, he has the potential to be. --- Charles Stewart 21:12, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Agreed, and as it's impossible to define who the top poker player is anyway, there's no reason for people to say he is not notable. I repeat Paul Cherry and Ray Zee as examples of articles that should be looked at before this. Numerous other players have made less final tables, but no one has suggested they should be deleted. Also, before I forget, his heads-up play is a major talking point in Dan Harrington's second book. Essexmutant 21:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Essexmutant. D-Rock 05:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.