Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johann Tetzel

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. --Luigi30 (Taλk) 14:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Johann Tetzel

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This article seems to be generating little interest, lacks sources, and seems to have been edited mainly by anonymous users. Also it has a rhyme on it that seems to translate too perfectly in the English, however, I'm not the best translator so can't comment on that. Chooserr 01:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Strong keep, obviously this character is notable, he has a Catholic Encyclopedia entry [1]. Wikipedia is supposed to be editable by anyone, no need to discriminate against anons. It should be sourced better and cleaned up, but I see no reason to delete.-Andrew c 02:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I'd call being the inspiration of the 95 Theses sufficient notability. As for the rhyme, the Catholic Encyclopedia entry cited in the article has essentially the same rhyme with slightly different wording. BryanG(talk) 02:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Note - when I first nominated it for deletion I didn't know about the interwiki links, so it probably should be kept, but I still think it needs a desperate rewrite. And While I haven't checked New Advent, I browsed the German version and didn't find the rhyme. Maybe I missed it, but I don't think so. Chooserr 03:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I just checked the German wiki article. de:Johann_Tetzel#Der_Ablassbrief. It says "Sobald das Geld im Kasten klingt, die Seele (aus dem Fegefeuer) in den Himmel springt!" or "as soon as the money in the box clings, the soul (from purgatory) into the sky springs!"-Andrew c 03:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - This was noticed on Talk:The 95 Theses, as it appears Tetzel was one of the individuals targeted by Martin Luther when the theses were publicized. From a quick glance around Google, there seems to be sources for this, but the article currently lacks much citation at all. I think this can be made into a valid article, but it needs work. -- Kesh 04:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, one of the causes of the early Protestant movement, I can't see why he got here to start with. Article needs work though and many more references Alf photoman 14:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - clearly notable, even if the New Catholic Encyclopedia calls the jingle 'spurious'. -- Bpmullins | Talk 15:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Sparking the Protestant Reformation is a pretty notable achievement, however unintended. Numerous sources cite Tetzel as a major factor leading Luther to write the 95 Theses, and support the truth of Tetzel's marketing jingle. Why is a rhyme unlikely? Remember the OJ murder trial and the repetition of "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!" Added an easily found ref to the 1911 Britannica, but literally dozens or even hundreds of print references exist going back several hundred years, and he is prominent in any good history of the Reformation. So he is a notable subject, and the article can always be edited and improved to show both the Catholic and Protestant perspectives. Edison 17:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This sourced article is about a historical person who appears in multiple standard reference works. FWIW, the rhyme moves easily from German to English because the underlying root words are cognate. - Smerdis of Tlön 18:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Historical figure, sourced article. Edison pretty much sums it up. -- Docether 18:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. A necessary article on a notable person. A trip to the library's worth of books will beef up this article, and looking at the German equivalent couldn't hurt. Evan(Salad dressing is the milk of the infidel!) 21:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. i found the article informative and useful. Amirman 06:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.