Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Robinson (radio personality)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Although those arguing to keep have been a bit uncertain in their decision, their voice appears to be the consensus, and the fact that the bio is backed up by sources supports that decision. One note about something which did not affect my decision here, but which I think needs to be stamped out of AFD since it poisons, rather than sheds light on, the discussion, is the curt referral to the WP:ATA essay on arguments one disagrees with. Anyone who feels tempted to write "Please see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS" and then follows through with "Please see WP:ONLYESSAY" (this goes the other way too when people cite "IDONTLIKEIT" and such) should take time to read the whole essay they are referring others to. Up there in the introduction it says "it is important to realize that countering the keep or delete arguments of other people by simply referring them to this essay is not encouraged". Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Robinson (radio personality)

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Contested prod. Article does not give evidence of Notability. Local radio personality with no national coverage beyond brief mention of work with XM Satellite radio. The worthiness of page existence was questioned on the radio show itself, and evidence of this may be reflected in the article's discussion page. Verdatum (talk) 02:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Weak Keep pending research into the subject's role on XM. If it was for any significant amount of time, I'm inclined to say that establishes notability outside of the local market. --InDeBiz1 Review me! / Talk to me! 23:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment From his blog, "So basically, I may or may not be on XM. If I am, I don't know what show they will be airing, what station or when it will air." Seems to suggest is was a trivial recording. The titles and airtimes on XMfan.com suggest that they are interspersed bits, and not like a standard half-hour comedy special sort of situation; though this is admittedly conjecture on my part. -Verdatum (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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Weak Keep All references are regional at best (Washington and Baltimore) according to his blog, XM Comedy has recorded one of his performances for later air but it has not aired. I'd be very surprised if it didn't air but apparently that hasn't happened yet. Having a live performance featured on satellite radio seems notable enough to me. Article needs to be cleaned up though.--Rtphokie (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Keep According to the cited XM link. He has been on XM as recently as this past Sunday —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.94.156.75 (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• CommentThe above is from the same IP that created the article originally and has no other edits to Wikipedia outside of this article and the related radio station article. --InDeBiz1 Review me! / Talk to me! 15:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment - From WP:BIO, "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."
The article fails both the basic criteria for this notability guideline and the specific criteria for "Any Biographies", "Creative professionals" and "Entertainers". The fact that XM declares he is on the lineup is not sufficient condition to satisfy this; XM is not considered independant secondary source in this case, nor does the XM link in question constitute "signifigant coverage". XM is national, but it is not nessisarily a big deal. I had a friend who got a DJ gig on XM straight out of highschool, doesn't make her notable or worthy of a WP article. In other words, XM declares he's on the air, but we have no reason to believe that anyone else seems to care enough to write anything about it, so why should Wikipedia? Find two an articles reviewing the XM comedy bits from reliable national publications and I'll happily withdraw the nom. -Verdatum (talk) 16:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

This is Joe Robinson. We have been having a laugh at this page on our show the last few days. I couldn't give a crap if you guys delete this page. Please do. I promise you not a single listener can be attributed to this page's existence. However, your arguements are as ridiculous as the creator of this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.253.114 (talk) 17:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Why do Josh Spiegel and Mickey and Amelia have pages uncontested? Based on some of your hypercrital criteria on what is 'notable', 10 - 20% of Wikipedia should be purged. Regardless of the way the subject of this article feels about me or the article itself, I say this page is as worthy as many already here. This article was not a problem until some joker added false information to it in and RJHughes (who I firmly believe is the same joker) start interjecting himself.

Joe Robinson IS notable (whether you know who he is or not) and I followed your rules about citing independent sources to support that. Before you delete this article, you had better take a good hard look at the subjects of a lot of other articles.

I PROMISE you that more people know who Joe is than these people.

S. Mohinder Reinier Butöt Matthias Looß —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.93.200 (talk) 12:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment. Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --Geniac (talk) 16:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

"This is an essay; it contains the advice and/or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. It is not a policy or guideline, and editors are not obliged to follow it." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.93.200 (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment. Please see WP:ONLYESSAY. --Geniac (talk) 16:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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