Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joan of Arc bibliography

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, consensus is that the article has value with a move to another title being a possibility - which is an editorial decision. Davewild (talk) 20:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Joan of Arc bibliography

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Unencyclopedic content/listcruft. This article is nothing but a list of subjectively selected titles of books about Joan of Arc, with absolutely no information about the books given - it serves as nothing better than a library record, if that. If these books are deemed useful, they should be used as references to improve the articles relating to Joan of Arc, not to create an article with no utility. The one citation that is actually in the article claims that there are over 12,000 titles on Joan in French alone - this still does not tell us the validity of the works herein contained, and to do so would likely violate NOR. The subjectivity required in a "selected bibliography" means this will never be an encyclopedic article, nor will it be anything other than a incomplete list of titles, which can just as easily be located through Amazon or Google. MSJapan (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Merge. After careful review by knowledgeable editor, please merge into Joan of Arc article. Renee (talk) 19:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. I'm not especially keen on such lists, but Category:Bibliographies by subject indicates it is not an anomaly. There have been a couple of highly specialized bibliographies appear on AFD and they generally pass. I feel they would be better off if sourced and attributed, e.g. "Smith considers this the best biography". --Dhartung | Talk 21:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. This article should certainly not be merged into Joan of Arc article, which is already long and of good quality by Wikipedia standards. This article contains some important material, including a link to a translation of the transcript of the trial. It is an important resource for Joan scholars. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC).

• Keep, seems like a valuable fork from the main Joan of Arc article. I'm sure knowledgable editors could develop a clear set of inclusion criteria, as has been done at List of important operas and similar featured lists. Zagalejo^^^ 21:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Keep, as it is filled with and links to notable, verifiable, and scholarly information. Merging it would make Joan of Arc even larger than it already is. Also, this is not an anomaly; there are several lists similar to this. Cel ^{Talk to me} 22:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Might be better merged into Joan of Arc, but, as has been mentioned, that article is very long already and if, as claimed, there are over 12,000 titles on this subject in French alone, this list has the possibility of growing into something far too large to be in the main Joan of Arc article. The suject is highly notable and this list could be useful to someone wanting to do further research. You know what, I've convinced myself: forget the 'weak', this is a full blown keep. OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 23:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC) 23:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Merge into Joan of Arc. Dreamspy (talk) 23:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Move to List of works by Joan of Arc or List of Joan of Arc works. Article is certainly notable, but is more of a list and should be stated as such in its title. –Dream out loud (talk) 19:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

• keep but perhaps move somewhere. The information is good (if sorely incomplete and unreferenced), but not in article form. This is when we need to have subpages enabled in article space -- this would make a great subpage for the main Joan of Arc article, or perhaps linked off of the talk page. -- phoebe/(talk) 06:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Possibly merge, or maybe rename as "List of works by Joan of Arc".--MrFish^{Go Fish} 18:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• Just to clarify something: none of these books were written by Joan of Arc. They are about Joan of Arc. As far as I know, Joan of Arc never wrote anything. Zagalejo^^^ 18:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.