Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jittelar

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The result was delete. DS (talk) 14:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jittelar

The article appears to be a hoax edit. I was copyediting when I realised what I was reading! Romans versus Persians in Iberia... LuckyThracian 02:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete The notability is not there. A probable hoax because a Google search came up with: Results 1 - 10 of about 64 for Jittelar. (0.28 seconds) Tavix (talk) 03:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Weak delete - I think this refers to the Theme of Iberia, not the Iberian Peninsula. The Romans (Byzantines) certainly fought the Persians in the Iberian Theme which is modern-day Turkey. However:

1) the article is unsourced and I cannot find any relevant references to "Jittelar" either on-line or off;

2) The article states that that a "jittelar" formation was especially effective at protecting halberdsmen. The Iberian Theme was conquered in the 11th century and the halberd was invented in the 14th. This strongly suggests there were no halberdsmen in the Roman Army to be protected via Jittelars or any other formation and that a central premise of the article is false.

3) The article provides no context, no description of the formation and no explanation for its effectiveness. This sorry state has existed for two years as part of the extremely active military history Wikiproject, suggesting that if such a formation existed it must have been pretty non-notable.

I would be happy to be proved wrong by soemone producing a credible source for such a formation existing. In its absence and on balance the lack of sources, context and chronological credibility suggest a hoax or at best a non-notable term. Euryalus (talk) 03:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per reasons given by Euryalus. I did a similar search online and found no relevant references to "Jittelar". Mh29255 (talk) 04:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as possible hoax - certainly fails WP:V.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 07:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.