Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jiri Cerovsky

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The result of the debate was KEEP. sjorford →•← 10:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jiri Cerovsky

I suggest deleting the whole article. The contents could be moved to cs:Wiki then. The article generally seems to be of the vanity type. The sport successes listed seem to have even factual errors. Person covered here is just a Czech regional politician. Mentioning him among the short list of other [Czech_politicians] on English Wiki doesn't fairly address his importance. Only politicians who have had either a non disputed role in the history of the country or who's international relevance is obvious should be covered here. Oneliner 08:30, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Strong keep. Mayor of a town of 45,000 people in the Czech Republic just as worthy as Mayors of towns of 45,000 people in Maine. Gently urge Oneliner to read WP policy on notability. David | Talk 10:19, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've first spotted this article a long time ago and from the editing history it was almost certain that created by the person itself as a vanity page. Maybe this knowledge made me biased since. Listing this particular person among the very sparse list of Czech politicians creates an unrealistic idea of his importance within the political scene. But let's look at the facts: there are 77 such towns within the country. Or from the other side, he is also a member of the regional council, that makes him one of approx. 700 peers and yet he is the only one noted on wiki. Add to it some 300 higher (Parliament, Government) level politicians, say exchanged fully every 12 years, that makes 3500+ of people just in the Czech Republic. Of all of these, there are 12 Czechs in the politicians category here on english Wiki. None of them being "just" a mayor or regional council member. See my point? The notability should be judged within the playground we're all playing at. Oneliner 11:57, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, if it belongs in the cs wiki it belongs here too. Kappa 12:25, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Oneliner, all your arguments seem to me to suggest that we should expand our coverage of Czech politicians, a sentiment I heartily endorse. Just because our coverage isn't complete yet doesn't mean we shouldn't have this article. Meelar (talk) 15:38, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Important Czech politicians like prime ministers are getting covered, although slowly. Members of EU parliament were all covered (quite easy since they must have Web page with detailed biography). Coverage of local Czech politicians should start on Czech Wiki, we here have not enough of means to do it, unfortunately. Pavel Vozenilek 17:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Certainly! A much wider coverage of Czech politicians would make the general reader's view of the Czech political sceme biased and sort out naturally most of the reasons I oppose this article for. But unfortunately the number of articles didn't get higher in last two months and there isn't much hope that it soon will. Mainly for the reasons Pavel Vozenilek has stated below. Oneliner 22:43, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Keep per David, Kappa, Meelar. -- BD2412 ^talk 17:50, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)

• Delete. Problems with verifiability.

The page was originally created by person who created Jablonec nad Nisou city article and added city template for US town. This template has line for mayor so short article was added. While mayor of quite big city is notable person reality of current English Wikipedia says such articles are not maintainablen now because:

• there are about dozen or few dozens of Czechs on English Wikipedia and they have usually better topics to work on than local Czech politicians (only Jiri Cerovsky and Pavel Bem, current mayor of Prague has been created, the second one being quite important political figure).
• local Czech politicians are not yet covered on Czech Wikipedia, for exactly the same reason
• these politicians do not have Web pages and finding any relevant information is every hard, lest you live in the place and carefully read local newspapers (w/o web archives). I had problem to find online biography on Cerovsky even when he's long term mayor. The only one available was one paragraph from his election materials, not something one would put high hope of validity and neutral point of view.

While in ideal world such politicians should get covered current state won't allow to maintain such articles in reasonable quality. Because of this I would prefere to delete this article and wait until coverage for local politicians gets established on Czech Wikipedia. Then this information can be translated here with higher assurance of its validity. Pavel Vozenilek 17:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Keep if verifiable. RickK 21:22, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, seems absolutely notable. Anglocentric bias should be avoided. Martg76 21:48, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not significant for an encyclopedia. Sandius 22:33, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. While not amongst the top rank of Czech politicians, membership of a regional assembly and being mayor of a town makes him notable enough for mine. Capitalistroadster 00:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. We keep less notable American mayors. --Scimitar 16:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - for all reasons cited above. Expand English coverage of other Bohemian politicians and this one won't stand out as much. Blackcats 05:00, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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