Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jimmy Rohan
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. --Coredesat 06:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jimmy Rohan
Non-notable minor league player, per WP:BASEBALL. Truest blue 06:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of baseball-related deletions. —Truest blue 06:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete for above reason. --Truest blue 06:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Bench him, until he sets foot on a major league diamond in a major league game.Ravenmasterq 07:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Many minor league players are included on wikipedia and the guidelines state that an athlete is notable if they have "played in a fully professional league" of which minor league baseball certainly is. It's not like Wiki is short on server space. Spanneraol 14:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: Quoting from WP:BASEBALL (emphasis added): "Any player who plays in the top professional league in their country is notable. This includes Major League Baseball in North America and Nippon Professional Baseball in Japan, among others. Most minor league players are not considered notable, but some players are as determined by WP:BIO" I find your second point very perplexing. If Wiki isn't short on server space what is the point of the AFD debates? --Truest blue 16:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply: I consider players in the top levels of the minors to be notable.. they have fans.. there are articles about them.. I would think people would want to find information on the top prospects in their minor league systems.. These are professional athletes with fan bases.. just cause you don't find them notable doesn't mean other people don't. Spanneraol 16:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply: According to WP:BASEBALL "Most minor league players are not considered notable." What you are proposing, that "players in the top levels of the minors [should] be notable" is a direct violaton of the aformentioned standard.--Truest blue 17:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply: So does WP:BASEBALL trump WP:BIO which says that athletes are notable if they compete in a "fully professional league" and even mentions that competing in the "highest levels" of amateur sports is enough for notability? Seems to be a conflict between the two pages. Spanneraol
- Reply: I don't see a contradiction. WP:BIO refers to all biographies. It gives only a general idea of notability concerning baseball. WP:BASEBALL, which disusses the notability standard exclusively for baseball, gives a more detailed explanation of the WP:BIO standard. (Also, baseball is not an amateur sport.) --Truest blue 17:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply College baseball is an amateur sport. And Minor League Baseball is certainly a "fully professional league." Spanneraol 17:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply Jimmy Rohan never played college baseball. Besides, as stated earlier, the editors at list of baseball-related deletions follow the more specific WP:BASEBALL which excludes most minor leaguers.
- Comment If we are only to allow "Any player who plays in the top professional league in their country", why do you not nominate all the Negro League players for deletion? Most of them never played in the top professional league of their country. 69.68.238.142 20:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment As long as we are being literal about the guidelines, let's delete Yurendell DeCaster as he has never played in the top professional league of his country (Netherland Antilles) and he has never done anything particularly notable in the majors. Let's write articles for all our Little League managers since the guidelines clearly state that "Baseball executives, coaches, and managers are also notable" without clarifying which executives, coaches, and managers. The truth is, the baseball guidelines are written with so many loopholes and so vaguely and in direct conflict with the Bio guidelines (as noted above) that you are going to continue getting these disputes until the guidelines are rewritten by someone who actually knows what they are doing. 69.68.238.142 20:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment One last thing. What's truly odd about this whole discussion is that the person who nominated the article for deletion, Truest blue, contributed content after the nomination. If the article is so worthless as to be despoiling Wikipedia, why are you adding to it? 69.68.238.142 21:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply. 1) Negro League players are an obvious exception. Players in that league could have played in Major League Baseball if not for the rasicm prevalent at that time. 2) Yurendell DeCaster played in the Majors. Once a player gets onto a 25 man roster he is considered notable even if he subsequently gets demoted. 3) I don't think that it is "odd" that I edited a page that I nominated for deletion. Firstly, I don't know if the result will be to delete. Secondly, while it in Wikipedia, why shouldn't the article be the best possible?--Truest blue 23:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply So you are saying that even though WP:BIO says he is notable, WP:BASEBALL does not? So minor league players in other sports, like say players on the NBA Development League teams are eligible but not baseball players? This player was signed by a Major League Baseball team and is a professional athlete. The Baseball guidelines should be changed if they are as restrictive as you suggest. Spanneraol 23:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply 1) Some of the Negro League players certainly could have played in the majors, but to claim they were all major league level players is ludicrous and involves just as much speculation as claiming a minor leaguer of today has what it takes to make it to the majors some day. And nowhere on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball page does it say anything about there being an exception for Negro League players. Which is exactly my point of how vague and incomplete the guidelines are. 2) Yurendell DeCaster played in the Majors as you say, but the Major Leagues are not the top professional league of his country. They are the top professional league of the United States and Canada. To abide strictly by the guidelines in one instance and make exceptions on another, you might as well not have guidelines at all. Kinston eagle 00:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply. 1) Negro League players are an obvious exception. Players in that league could have played in Major League Baseball if not for the rasicm prevalent at that time. 2) Yurendell DeCaster played in the Majors. Once a player gets onto a 25 man roster he is considered notable even if he subsequently gets demoted. 3) I don't think that it is "odd" that I edited a page that I nominated for deletion. Firstly, I don't know if the result will be to delete. Secondly, while it in Wikipedia, why shouldn't the article be the best possible?--Truest blue 23:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply: So does WP:BASEBALL trump WP:BIO which says that athletes are notable if they compete in a "fully professional league" and even mentions that competing in the "highest levels" of amateur sports is enough for notability? Seems to be a conflict between the two pages. Spanneraol
- Reply: According to WP:BASEBALL "Most minor league players are not considered notable." What you are proposing, that "players in the top levels of the minors [should] be notable" is a direct violaton of the aformentioned standard.--Truest blue 17:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply: I consider players in the top levels of the minors to be notable.. they have fans.. there are articles about them.. I would think people would want to find information on the top prospects in their minor league systems.. These are professional athletes with fan bases.. just cause you don't find them notable doesn't mean other people don't. Spanneraol 16:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: Quoting from WP:BASEBALL (emphasis added): "Any player who plays in the top professional league in their country is notable. This includes Major League Baseball in North America and Nippon Professional Baseball in Japan, among others. Most minor league players are not considered notable, but some players are as determined by WP:BIO" I find your second point very perplexing. If Wiki isn't short on server space what is the point of the AFD debates? --Truest blue 16:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, the "top 100 prospects" line seems like WP:CRYSTAL. Either he is or he isn't, and we need more than one trivial source anyway. --Dhartung | Talk 17:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- The beacons of Amon Delete are lit! Jacksonville calls for aid! and Rohan will answer! LOTR joke aside, delete per WP:BASEBALL until he goes major league. Will (talk) 17:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Does not seem to have any particularly notable achievements as a minor league player (records set, awards won, etc.). -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 03:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
