Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Fenner

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No-Consensus I'm not seeing a clear consensus to delete this but I'd suggest that someone does some digging and comes up with more independent sources otherwise I can see this being deleted next time round. Spartaz Humbug! 22:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jim Fenner

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TV character profile. No claim to notability given. Nehwyn (talk) 12:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep - I'll admit a bias here, I did some of the initial work on this article. The character is possibly the most important single character for a considerable part of the series Bad Girls, either directly or as a malevolent presence who needs to be "worked around" by other characters. The article needs a serious rewrite, from the perspectives of content, grammar, and spelling, but the basis is there for a reasonable article. There's far too much here to successfully merge it into Bad Girls. As far as notability outside the series, FWIW Fenner was listed as one of British television's "Top Ten TV Bastards" in 2002. Whether that counts as notoriety enough, I don't know. Grutness...wha? 01:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello there. Notability within the fictional world of the series is irrelevant here; the point is real-word notability, i.e. coverage by independent sources. So the point is: can you provide andy reliable sources confirming the article subjects meets the WP:N criteria? That link is really not enough on its own to establish real-world notability. --Nehwyn (talk) 08:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
That link is a start towards establishing notability. More like it, showing that people talk about the character or find her notable in some way, are needs. Key word from the guidelines is "multiple." If you do that, this should be an easy keep. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it's just a passing mention, and on a website that I don't think qualifies as reliable source. --Nehwyn (talk) 15:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, to be fair, the same programme is mentioned on several other websites - at least one of them is surely a reliable source (how about The Sunday Mirror?) Also, you're forgetting that the real-world notability being pointed out wasn't his mention in passing on a website, but his listing by the television programme mentioned on the website. The fact that the programme was a Channel 4 programme, whereas the series Bad Girls was screened on one of C4's rivals (ITV), is in itself worthy of noting when considering the character's notability. BTW, one possible alternative to either deletion or merging would be to start an article called something like Regular characters in Bad Girls (TV series), as it appears from the main article that two or three others are proposed for merging to the main (already lengthy) article. Grutness...wha? 00:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CitiCat ♫ 04:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Bad Girls, as per other character bios. ShivaeVolved 11:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Please note that the reason this and the other articles were originally split from the Bad Girls article was that that article was too long. Grutness...wha? 11:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.