Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jessica Betancourt

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Kimchi.sg 08:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jessica Betancourt

Jessica Betancourt (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Contested prod. Fails WP:PORNBIO Otto4711 19:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Playboy model. Men (and perhaps some women) all over the world likely have slobbered over her. --Oakshade 07:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Maybe so, but does not appear to pass WP:PORN BIO. Delete Ohconfucius 09:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Firstly, as she's not a "pornographic actor," I don't think we apply WP:PORN BIO to this. Secondly, if she doesn't follow strictly WP:BIO or WP:PORNBIO guidelines, then I'll cite the WP:BIO clause "just because someone doesn't fall into one of these categories doesn't mean an article on the person should automatically be deleted." In this case, it's warrented. --Oakshade 17:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'll see your cite of the WP:BIO clause and I'll raise you Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information or a database of all persons. She took off her clothes a few times. Just because she happened to take them off for Playboy doesn't make an article about her warranted. Come up with a better reason than "Men all over the world likely have slobbered over her" for inclusion. Otto4711 21:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• I like that argument, actually. An as for your WP:NOTE argument, not "all persons" have posed in one of the most popular magazines in history. --Oakshade 22:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• I've had men slobber over me. Should I get a Wikipedia article for it? Otto4711 05:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• Was it a result of you posing in Playboy? --Oakshade 10:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• No, it was for helping to establish the precedent that posing in Playboy does not in and of itself establish notability. [1] Otto4711 15:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• WP:PORN BIO is clearly meant to cover playboy models, as it's specifically stated (criterion 2) that "Performer has been a Playboy Playmate or a Penthouse Pet, or similar titles in other major magazines.", and as it stands, she fails. Please feel free to offer sources if you feel one of the other criteria may apply to her. Ohconfucius 01:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• Exactly! It's criteria for porno ACTORS having modeled in Playboy, not for models. Read the title of WP:PORN BIO carefully: "Wikipedia:Notability (pornographic actors)". --Oakshade 01:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter whether or not she's a "pornographic actor," it matters whether she's notable enough to be the subject of an encyclopedia article.

We know that and that's what we've been discussing outside of the semantics of "actor" vs. "model". --Oakshade 01:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, W.marsh 00:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:BIO and WP:NOTE. Tulkolahten 01:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:BIO, WP:PORN BIO, and WP:NOTE. TJ Spyke 02:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Some claim to notability for models (nude or non-nude) besides "appearing in two or three spreads in a popular magazine" needs to be made. I don't see that here. Caknuck 02:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete due to insufficient evidence that she satisfies WP:BIO yet. --Metropolitan90 04:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 06:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, appeared as one of many, rather than with any particular prominence. We can't write any more about her than would constitute a basic entry in a list. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 07:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.