Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse Ball

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Nice cleanup work by User:etschreiber. NawlinWiki 15:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

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This entry reads as though it were likely written by the author himself. There are no citations for any of the information in the entry, the biggest reference I can find (Richard Howard) appears to be his former professor at grad school (hardly an unbiased/objective opinion), he's only been nominally published (two books do not a successful writer make), most of his bibliography contains books that have never been published or even released, and most of the entry reads as though it were a PR package for Ball. My opinion is that the writer maintains this page himself (it even contains information about his current roommate!), he's not particularly well-known among literary circles (I can't find any readings he has done in the last few years or any connection to a literary scene not connected to his former professor Richard Howard -- for instance, Howard used to be the editor at The Paris Review, where several of Ball's poems have been published), and it simply doesn't have enough authors working on it to be a pertinent Wikipedia entry.

• Delete Vanity page James68 11:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment you might like to consider the information which is in this article too. No vote yet from me, but I'm inclined to think he ain't notable - yet. NPOV articles, and is so personal that I doubt if much of the info can be verified. The review posted seems a bit local. The photo on the page was put up by someone who said it was "given to me by Jesse Ball himself requesting that it be put on his webpage". Ohconfucius 02:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I wrote a large portion of this wikipedia page. I am a friend and fan of Mr. Ball's. I believe that the comments made in this deletion discussion are valid and I spent a large amount of time today fixing up the page as per the suggestions made here. I removed the personal information, provided more details as to Mr. Ball's international publications, added citations, added external references and a list of readings/performances. I believe the website is now a factual account of Mr. Ball's career. He is a young highly successful poet. As was mentioned on the March Book deletion page, you cannot expect the Google Test to be a good measure of the notability of a poet. Poetry is a small field but that does not mean it is not worthy of coverage by the Wikipedia and its community. Mr. Ball has been published in the United States by Grove and Vintage; and internationally by Nyhil and Feltrinelli. He has been reviewed by the Boston review and Publishers weekly. Furthermore, Mr. Ball's work was selected for Best American Poetry, 2006. It is clear that he is an important young poet and novelist. Ethan L. Schreiber 21:44, 29 October 2006 (EDT)
• Comment I also want to note that someone asked to delete this page in the past as well and there was a community discussion on its worthiness. You can see here that people overwelmingly voted to keep the page then. Doesn't Wikipedia have any rules about double jeopardy? :) Ethan L. Schreiber 22:18, 29 October 2006 (EDT)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.