Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Moore

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This overrides incorrect non-admin closure by John254 (talk · contribs). MaxSem 19:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jennifer Moore

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This is part of a multiple nomination, following discussion of a number of pages at AN/I. Per Wikipedia is not a memorial, a page on this subject should be about the case and not the victim. However, tragic as the case may have been for those connected to it, it is not necessarily clear that the case is notable enough (among the 500+ murders in New York City every year) to warrant its own article.

This is not a "typical" AfD; a few points:

  1. There has already been a very lengthy discussion of these articles (archived - please don't modify it) which I'd urge anyone commenting on these articles to read, as many of the potential "keep" and "delete" arguments have already been raised there;
  2. Although this is one of a multiple nomination, could I request that anyone voting/commenting consider each of these cases on its own merits and not vote "keep all"/"delete all" — while these are similar articles, they are about very different cases, some of which may well be more notable than others. The articles are all being nominated separately and not as a single bulk-nom for this reason;
  3. I know you all know it, but just a reminder that AfD is about the validity of the topic and not about problems with the writing style of the articles; some of these articles are very poorly written, but vote on whether the article is worth keeping & cleaning up, not on its current stylistic problems;
  4. WP:NOT#MEMORIAL does not prohibit the writing of articles about victims per se. WP:BIO does, however, demand that article subjects be the subject of widespread coverage over time in the media.

And please try to keep this discussion WP:CIVIL whichever result you lean towards. As you can see from the AN/I discussion, the debate got a little heated — remember this is a discussion of the content of, not the contributors to, the article. Also, MurderWatcher1 (talk · contribs) has stated that he's planning to contact the family of at least one of the subjects of these articles, so — while it shouldn't affect your decision — bear in mind when discussing that persons directly affected by this article may well be reading it. — iridescent (talk to me!) 21:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I was just editing this page and adding in a new reference when this Afd tag was affixed. I had earlier put in a few comments to the Administrators' page which was archived earlier. I was not given any resolution on the AfD issue. I had further comments on this and other pages merits. Please read those comments at:
Moore's death, along with St. Guillen's, has permanently changed New York City and Boston Nightlife. Other cities even now may be considering nightlife legislation based upon the murders of these two women so this is a notable page, along with the Imette St. Guillen page, which may be an exception to any Wikipedia rules that are in place.--MurderWatcher1 22:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
MW1, AN/I is not the forum to reach "a resolution on the AfD issue" (and certainly not posts added to an archived page); the discussion was to see if anyone could find a way around this without resorting to the soul-destroying (whatever the result) process that is XfD. The result of these AfDs - keep or delete - will be the resolution in each case. — iridescent (talk to me!) 22:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep As I created this page, and as the page relates to the Imette St. Guillen page with references to Nightlife Legislation, which are also mentioned in detail on this page, I'm voting to keep this entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MurderWatcher1 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:BLP1E and Wikipedia is not a memorial. Stifle (talk) 19:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. The work User:MurderWatcher1 has put into this is noted and appreciated by me and others. Nevertheless, this article is just about a woman who was murdered - a statistic, if you like. The world/country/state was unaware that she lived in the first place; her death seems to have made temporary headlines and then faded from view; the fate of her killer is of but passing interest; the world has moved on without her. Shocking, harsh judgment from me, and I know I sound heartless. But Wikipedia is not a memorial; Wikipedia is not a random collation of trivia and most murder victims in this world are non-notable - they're just victims of this world. Without something to make a victim stand out from the hundreds upon hundreds of US/worldwide murder victims each year (eponymous law, weeks/months of coverage of the disappearance, drama/documentary for a non-minority channel being made, etc) then this is another NN, with WP:BLP concerns for their family to be considered too. Original research on the "impact" of the killing must be ignored. This is an encyclopaedia. For transparency, iridescent and I have discussed this in the past and directly before I commented; I previously agreed with this AfD and spoke about it on the WP:ANI discussion which was started to try to avoid offending the author before this came to AfD; nevertheless, I have re-read the article and this AfD before posting and my views have not changed/have been reinforced. ➔ REDVEЯS isn't wearing pants 21:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete and re-work into something just about the nightlife angle if desired. JJL 00:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - not a memorial applies. -- Whpq 20:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.