Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jazz Fenton

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Please take possible merge discussions to the appropriate talk pages. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jazz Fenton

Jazz Fenton (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable character in Danny Phantom, establishes absolutely no out-of-universe notability, has been tagged for all sorts of things since September with no improvement. Seems to be a target for trivia too.

I am also listing the following pages for the same reason:

Dani Phantom (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Tucker Foley (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Sam Manson (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Jack and Maddie Fenton (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Vlad Plasmius (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete given the lack of sources and Google News Archive comes with nothing. Worth a mention in the Danny Phantom article. Capitalistroadster (talk) 20:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Agree with comment by Capitalistroadster.--DerRichter (talk) 21:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep: the existence of the {{DPNav}} navbox, and the fact that all of these articles are listed as "Main characters", makes these as legitimate as the characters from any other popular cartoon series, like Ned Flanders, Joe Swanson, or Dale Gribble. —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 21:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

• Nice try, but your argument boils down to "other stuff exists". I would not be against a merger to a list of the characters, so long as the trivia is weeded out. Just being a character in a popular series doesn't warrant automatic notability. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 02:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Other stuff is a good argument when there is a considerable amount of relevant comparison other stuff is notable and so is this. It shows what WP practice is, and we should at least ry to be somewhat consistent To use it as a negative argument you';d have to show this is less notable than the others, or that they should all be deleted. This is a major continuing character in a reasonably important series. DGG (talk) 02:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• I don't see any out of universe notability, however, and given what I know about the cartoon, I don't think that any of its characters (except the title character) would possibly have any importance out of the show's context. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 05:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• What is "out of universe" notability? How is it different from notability? — brighterorange (talk) 13:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: My point is that with templates like {{Simpsons characters}}, {{Family Guy}}, and {{King of the Hill}}, one cannot deny that "main characters" of some shows are worthy of their own articles, and "out of universe notability" is secondary ... as can be seen from {{DPNav}}, most of the other characters are in collected articles, like List of Danny Phantom characters and List of Danny Phantom villains and ghosts ... it's individual articles like these that keep articles like List of Simpsons characters, List of Family Guy characters, and List of characters in King of the Hill from getting Too Large, and as USER:DGG pointed out, you'd be hard pressed to get rid of the articles for Waylon Smithers, Neil Goldman, or John Redcorn. —72.75.72.63 (talk) 21:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

• That's because those articles do the Waylon article does assert out-of-universe notability in multiple reliable sources. The ones in this AfD, however, do not seem to be the subject of any out-of-universe, reliable sources, and warrant at best a one- to two-paragraph mention in List of Danny Phantom characters. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

• I don't see any "out-of-universe notability", or any WP:RS coverage for that matter, of either Neil Goldman or John Redcorn. —72.75.72.63 (talk) 00:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

• My bad, I meant to type "that article does". Anyway, just because other articles exist that don't assert notability doesn't mean that all such articles should be kept too. The Neil Goldman and John Redcorn articles aren't notable in any way and should probably be deleted or merged too. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 01:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and Capitalistroadster. Doctorfluffy (talk) 00:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

• Weak Keep Though just a character, there is no reason why we shouldn't keep it. Blueswan1967 (talk) 17:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - lack of significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject Addhoc (talk) 12:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Main character in a notable series, plenty of references and in this instance I believe as it is a television character then perhaps the injunction would apply. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 20:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to Danny Phantom. I prefer merge. TyrannoRanger 17:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.