Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay McGraw

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The result was Keep. @pple complain 17:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jay McGraw

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Delete son of Dr. Phil but no real independent notability - all his major achievements are in capacities procured by his dad (head of one of dad's companies, producer of a few shows starring dad) and the sources for all those are his dad's website and imdb - not the significant coverage in reliable third party sources that WP:BIO requires. Simply put, notability is not inherited. Carlossuarez46 18:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Not that I have a real affinity for the guy or his dad, I say Keep. The article definitely needs better, independent sourcing, but McGraw Junior has carved out his own notability IMO even if it started with his dad. Several books, apparently a movie, CEO (whether nepatistic or not, still CEO) are enough for me. Keeper76 20:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• I'll also add that notability can absolutely be inherited. Whether "junior" likes it, or not. Keeper76 20:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Although I agree that notability is not inherited, Jay does have his own presence, even if it's as his Dad's lackey. Corvus cornix 20:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Highly notable in his own right...even if his dad did kinda pay for it all. Hosted a network TV show, but more importantly, his books are best sellers. This one is #4 in its category, the others were ranked highly when they came out, but I can't seem to find any reference. Smashville 21:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. CRGreathouse (t | c) 00:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. More than sufficiently notable in his own right. No different from Ivanka Trump -- or Donald Trump for that matter. He started with a leg up, but this isn't about judging how you got there. --Dhartung | Talk 03:30, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• (keep) And, ironically, Phil himself would never have found notability had it not been for his "mother" Oprah. If we delete Jay because of his dad, then are we going to seriously consider also deleting him, him, and her? All notable in their own right, but none would be notable without their parents handing over the keys to their respective kingdoms. At least Jay wrote some books. (and bestsellers at that) Keeper | 76 14:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Smashville and Dhartung. Maxamegalon2000 06:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The subject is notable in his own right as a television host and best-selling author. How he got the opportunity to become a television host and author does not detract from that. --Metropolitan90 05:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete so far from notable it hurts. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 05:19, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I don't like it; he didn't earn it. He IS notable... Tiptopper 12:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Notability is not transferable. We are not seeking deletion because of his dad, but despite dad's notabilty. He has written books, but I do not see that they come close in terms of ranking at Amazon. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 19:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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