Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay-Z "Biting" Accusations

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 23:52, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jay-Z "Biting" Accusations

Obviously original research. No sources in site (other than sources for lyrics), and the author(s) would be hard-pressed to actually find some. FuriousFreddy 00:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC) We need to keep it because it simply is all to true...if people want examples they need to be available and that would be the most LOGICAL Decision

• Keep---Neccessary to limit the size of Jay-Z's page entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.217.218 (talk • contribs) 20:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Interesting article but original research unless sourced from reliable third parties. Capitalistroadster 00:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, links lead only to song lyrics suggesting serious OR. If this is a big deal there must be sources? Find some and this could be a keeper, or at least a merge. Deizio 00:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as original research, and, most likely unverifiable. --Terence Ong 02:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Terence Ong. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 03:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --BWD ^(talk) 03:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. The main article on Jay-Z already notes these accusations. This much detail on the accusations really isn't necessary. Aplomado - UTC 04:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as much about Jay-Z as possible, or more NPOV delete this because it's not sourced and is an unnecessary fork MLA 09:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, possible copyright violation.--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 10:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for many reasons above. Anyone for {db-attack}? Just zis Guy you know? 10:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. *drew 11:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete original researchFunky Monkey 16:58, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep This article is NOT OR. Someone in the Dipset camp brought this up not too long ago as part of their defamation campaign against Jay-Z (also known as "beef.") IIRC, they even stole the argument from someone else. I think it's a valid issue, as Jay-Z is a big name and hip-hop prides itself in originality, I just don't know if it warrants its own article or if it should be merged with the Jay-Z one. If anything, though, the article needs cleanup. Usonophile 18:07, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • This article is OR because its coparisons of songs, and its labeling them as being plagirisms, is not sourced. You'd need a source for each song mentioned--one that's not the lyrics--where some person of critical authority said "Jay-Z bit this. It is not a tribute or an allusion; he stole someone's lyrics." --FuriousFreddy 22:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
    • What's "critical authority?" From what I understand, the allegations were made in a track called "Biter/Writer" on a mixtape about a year ago (here's a link that discusses the track and here's a website that will play it). And then the Dipset released an updated version. Those are the sources I got. I think most of the lyrics in the article are presented in the original track. Usonophile 03:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
      • The "Biter/Writer" song is unattributed. As such, it's no better than the unreferenced article. You need verifiable sources for encyclopedia articles. --FuriousFreddy 12:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Update: I added a line in the article to reflect what I just said. Usonophile 04:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete entirely original research and unsourced content AdamJacobMuller 18:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete though a fun read. ProhibitOnions 19:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep if the accusation that he steals lyrics can be sourced. It appears like someone added to the intro that another rapper has accused him of it. If that can be sourced this seems like a keep. I agree that sourcing the lyrics doesn't count (unless another rapper accuses him of biting in their lyrics). This is almost certianly not a copyvio or an attack page. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 22:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • One mention of Jay-Z biting lyrics doesn't justify the original research and author opinion that makes up most of the page. You'd need a verifiable source which references each of the alleged cases of biting. Even this, this whole article is slightly ludicrous (no pun intended) as it is; what rapper doesn't reference other rappers' lines? At best, a sourced sentence or two can be included in the main Jay-Z article. No need for a seperate page; this is an encyclopedia, and not a place for unpublished analyses. --FuriousFreddy 22:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think the author is necessarily giving his opinion, just stating that the "Biter/Writer" track was released and made some waves in the hip-hop community. Besides, to reference a famous line by another rapper (making the tribute obvious) is one thing, but Jay-Z "borrowed" numerous more obscure lines to fit his rhymes without giving any credit. I think it's at least worthy of debate. Usonophile 03:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Wikipedia articles are not forums for debate or speculation. A mention of Cam'ron making a Jay-Z diss song can be done in one sentence in the main Jay-Z article. --FuriousFreddy 12:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, enjoyed it very much, but unless sourced, its OR -- Samir (the scope) 00:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: I wouldn't have cared otherwise, but the anon with the first keep vote deleted the AfD without comment.

⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 01:58, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep but make different article - How about we rename the artcle to "Swagger Jacker" (which would only concern the biting accusations from the Cam vs. Jay-Z beef. Everything else would be mention in the biting section of the main Jay-Z article.--chub 15:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.